Baroness Thatcher dies overnight

[Brian d marge]

she surely was no Francis Perkins....

Frances Perkins (born Fannie Coralie Perkins; April 10, 1880[1][2] – May 14, 1965) was the U.S. Secretary of Labor from 1933 to 1945, and the first woman appointed to the U.S. Cabinet. As a loyal supporter of her friend, Franklin D. Roosevelt, she helped pull the labor movement into the New Deal coalition. She and Interior Secretary Harold L. Ickes were the only original members of the Roosevelt cabinet to remain in office for his entire presidency.
During her term as Secretary of Labor, Perkins championed many aspects of the New Deal, including the Civilian Conservation Corps, the Public Works Administration and its successor the Federal Works Agency, and the labor portion of the National Industrial Recovery Act. With the Social Security Act she established unemployment benefits, pensions for the many uncovered elderly Americans, and welfare for the poorest Americans. She pushed to reduce workplace accidents and helped craft laws against child labor. Through the Fair Labor Standards Act, she established the first minimum wage and overtime laws for American workers, and defined the standard forty-hour work week. She formed governmental policy for working with labor unions and helped to alleviate strikes by way of the United States Conciliation Service, Perkins resisted having American women be drafted to serve the military in World War II so that they could enter the civilian workforce in greatly expanded numbers.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins

Thats right , wasnt the hoover dam created using work schemes , kinda like benmore ,,,

Hey kids I have an idea , lets privatise the hoover dam and sell its shares to the Chinese , that will reduce americas debt ......

oh wait , cant do that , its american

Stephen

actually china holds a lot of american debt !

[oldrider]

You think that elections hold Governments to account ... that's pretty naive ...

True!

Under MMP exactly ... politicians and parties are all interchangeable ... the so called policies promises etc change but the outcome always remains much the same!

Like Henry Ford's model T, any colour you like ... as long as it's black!

[Oscar]

True!

Under MMP exactly ... politicians and parties are all interchangeable ... the so called policies promises etc change but the outcome always remains much the same!

Like Henry Ford's model T, any colour you like ... as long as it's black!

That's a pretty dumb comment.
If you think politicians and parties are interchangable, you may want to enlighten us on the similarity between, say, Winston Peters and Mojo Mathers.
And if the outcome always remains the same, where did MMP come from?

[Banditbandit]

And if the outcome always remains the same, where did MMP come from?

That was forced by the voters ... the Politicians, in the main, did not want it ... National and Labour were shaping up to oppose MMP - a joint effort ... until they saw what the people were thinking ... then they just sat back .. 'cause they didn't want to support it but did not want to be seen opposing MMP

you may want to enlighten us on the similarity between, say, Winston Peters and Mojo Mathers.

I'd definitely kick Winston Peters out of bed ...

[Usarka]

I'd definitely kick Winston Peters out of bed ...

I'd tell them both to get out!

[Banditbandit]

I'd tell them both to get out!

I'm not that definite - you just never know with plain women ...

[BoristheBiter]

That was forced by the voters ... the Politicians, in the main, did not want it ... National and Labour were shaping up to oppose MMP - a joint effort ... until they saw what the people were thinking ... then they just sat back .. 'cause they didn't want to support it but did not want to be seen opposing MMP

Hang on, forced by the voters? that sound like they were held to account to me.

and I wouldn't have let either into my bed.

[Brian d marge]

Winston peters does have a very good point though

New Zealand FIRST

Unlike the rest , New Zealand for sale

Stephen
No , I'm a labour , green , tree fornicator

[BoristheBiter]

Winston peters does have a very good point though

New Zealand FIRST

Unlike the rest , New Zealand for sale

Stephen
No , I'm a labour , green , tree fornicator

because "Winston first" didn't instill a lot of confidence. the guys has changed side more times than Italy.

[Oscar]

That was forced by the voters ... the Politicians, in the main, did not want it ... National and Labour were shaping up to oppose MMP - a joint effort ... until they saw what the people were thinking ... then they just sat back .. 'cause they didn't want to support it but did not want to be seen opposing MMP

Doesn't that contradict what you said about elections not making a difference?

[oldrider]

1) That's a pretty dumb comment.

2) If you think politicians and parties are interchangable, you may want to enlighten us on the similarity between, say, Winston Peters and Mojo Mathers.

3)And if the outcome always remains the same, where did MMP come from?

If you don't understand the answer to 3 you will always experience difficulty with understanding 1 and 2.

[Oscar]

If you don't understand the answer to 3 you will always experience difficulty with understanding 1 and 2.

So enlighten us then, oh (old) wise one: why is there no difference between Mojo Mathers and Winnie?
Is it because you given up trying to understand what's going on around you?

[oldrider]

So enlighten us then, oh (old) wise one: why is there no difference between Mojo Mathers and Winnie?
Is it because you given up trying to understand what's going on around you?

Chuckle chuckle, I thought your attack might be a little more vitriolic than that ... I got lost going to MacDonald's yesterday, what does that tell you?

[Brian d marge]

because "Winston first" didn't instill a lot of confidence. the guys has changed side more times than Italy.

No u`re right, new Zealand first sounds better
Old Chinese proverb , something about $2 and lots of fun, or was it, about a tree bending in the wind
Must hand it to the fella he's a stayer, I mean donkey is out on his ear soon , but Winnie will still be feeding from the state coffers :-)
Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

For avid Thatcher enthusiasts her new book ''Not for turning'' ( which wasnt to be released until after her death ) is now available for pre-ordering.