Baroness Thatcher dies overnight

[Macontour]

If you have time,this is worth a listen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuq1_bhf638". And Maggie,over lunch one day, sunk a Cruiser with all hands, apparently tomake themgive it back" if I remember correctly. The sinking of the GenerealBelgrano by a British Sub. And WilliamHague is stillin government.

Sorry,had a few Bourbons,been a tough few months.

[Brian d marge]

was looking up the history of the falklands and may I say , the rights and wrongs of it all

that yomp by the 2nd para ? 90 km in 3 days or something like that with a 35 kg Bergen

awesome,,, fkin ell

even the romans didnt do that , and they were nuts

During the four month initial training of a Roman legionary, loaded marches were a core part of the training. Standards varied over time, but normally recruits were first required to complete 20 Roman miles (29.62 km or 18.405 modern miles) with 20.5 kg in five summer hours (the Roman day was divided into 12 hours regardless of season), which was known as "the regular step". They then progressed to the "faster step" and were required to complete 24 Roman miles (35.544 km or 22.086 modern miles) in five summer hours loaded with 20.5 kg.
Training also included some forced marches of 20–30 miles, often followed by the construction of basic defenses for an overnight position.

Stephen

[GrayWolf]

If you have time,this is worth a listen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuq1_bhf638". And Maggie,over lunch one day, sunk a Cruiser with all hands, apparently tomake themgive it back" if I remember correctly. The sinking of the GenerealBelgrano by a British Sub. And WilliamHague is stillin government.

Sorry,had a few Bourbons,been a tough few months.

Yes it might have been an 'Old Cruiser' it was an ex British (belfast class, if memory serves) Heavy Cruiser with 8 inch guns...
Just like the Missouri, Iowa etc were 'Old Battleships'....

as was proven in the Falklands conflict with the Sheffield, the modern cruisers were not designed to withstand 'punishment' but to 'dish it out' from a distance... Hence why a single Exocet missile destroyed the Sheffield....
A full Salvo of 8 inch shells (armour piercing) weighing around 120-140 kilo's each hitting what is an un-armoured ship? (plate steel and Aluminium = why the sheffield burnt)

Range[2] Elevation Time of flight Descent Impact velocity
5000 yd (4.6 km) 2° 11′ 6 sec 2° 31′ 2154 ft/s (657 m/s)
10000 yd (9.1 km) 5° 14′ 14 sec 7° 15′ 1683 ft/s (513 m/s)
15000 yd (14 km) 9° 47′ 25 sec 15° 49′ 1322 ft/s (403 m/s)
20000 yd (18 km) 16° 34′ 38 sec 28° 31′ 1169 ft/s (356 m/s)
25000 yd (23 km) 26° 44′ 56 sec 43° 7′ 1164 ft/s (355 m/s)
29000 yd (27 km) 41° 28′ 79 sec 56° 37′ 1240 ft/s (378 m/s)

if you read those impact velocities,,,, and bear in mind that as was shown from the Bismark where there were signs of 8 inch shell impact (gouges) on 30-35cm thick armour DESIGNED to withstand the impact of 38cm shells weighing as much as a car,
why the hell do you think they sunk the bloody thing??
The armour on that old heavy cruiser would have withstood anything short of a Nuclear missile or a heavy bomb impact... now let that 'loose' among the missile cruisers.. or to shell a couple of aircraft carriers...

[Oscar]

If you have time,this is worth a listen.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuq1_bhf638". And Maggie,over lunch one day, sunk a Cruiser with all hands, apparently tomake themgive it back" if I remember correctly. The sinking of the GenerealBelgrano by a British Sub. And WilliamHague is stillin government.

Sorry,had a few Bourbons,been a tough few months.

So what?
And what did it matter what meal was being taken at the time?

Firstly, it wasn't sunk with all hands.
It had been in the exclusion zone previously and had aborted an attack run with exocets.

Where ever it was it was a threat to the task force and its sinking almost certainly kept the rest of the Argie navy (including an aircraft carrier) in port.

It was a horrible thing to do, but war is war and if you're looking for blame, try Gen. Gailterai -no one forced him to invade.
As far as I'm concerned, I had friends and relations in the task force, and anything that made them safer (including the sinking of the Belgrano) was OK by me...

[Oscar]

whoops sorry about that , poking fun at Oscar is now a conditioned response ...

fk me,,, first I agree with you now apologising to Oscar, the friggen worlds gone crazy


Stephen

Poking fun?
Maybe if anyone could understand your gibberish we might find it really funny.

We were discussing your post where you put a swastika on a politician whose opinions you disagree with.
Not just moronic and childish, but fucking boring.

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Oscar;1130530270]Poking fun?
Maybe if anyone could understand your gibberish we might find it really funny.

We were discussing your post where you put a swastika on a politician whose opinions you disagree with.
Not just moronic and childish, but fucking boring.[/QUOTE
I wouldn’t be using the pronoun "we " try "you "
also
you would have no chance , first you would have to pull ya head out of the sand.

second , and this is the hard part , ya might have to step out of your comfort zone

My "gibberish tends to be backed up with evidence , and ya know what I cant remember you EVER doing that . You have been told by quite a few people here and are synonymous and famous for "the ostrich syndrome " and/ or a rather conservative view.

Paula bennet,; I didnt put the swastika on the drawing , that was pulled off the internet , which would suggest to me, that others ( quite a few others ) might also disagree with Paulas opinions

Life is back to normal Oscar is being his normal self and I wasn’t in a parallel universe ... was worried there for a moment.

Stephen

[Berries]

I was going to post something from Spitting Image but as everyone seems to be all serious found this instead.



She obviously still has some power, getting the BBC to censor the top 40 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22126940

[Robert Taylor]

So what?
And what did it matter what meal was being taken at the time?

Firstly, it wasn't sunk with all hands.
It had been in the exclusion zone previously and had aborted an attack run with exocets.

Where ever it was it was a threat to the task force and its sinking almost certainly kept the rest of the Argie navy (including an aircraft carrier) in port.

It was a horrible thing to do, but war is war and if you're looking for blame, try Gen. Gailterai -no one forced him to invade.
As far as I'm concerned, I had friends and relations in the task force, and anything that made them safer (including the sinking of the Belgrano) was OK by me...

And appropriately it was sunk using World War 2 torpedo technology. This one act deterred the Argie navy from being more aggressive and removed a major threat to the task force. As I stated previously the Argie air force was the only part of their military that gave a good account of itself, particularly the A4 pilots. All kudos to them.
Galtieri didnt realise who he was messing with, especially as the captured British army contingent when they took Stanley was shown on worldwide television having to lie on the ground with their hands behind their heads, at riflepoint.
The war was justified, it also massively helped Maggies re-election and that was a good thing.

[Oscar]

[QUOTE=Brian d marge;1130530280]

Poking fun?
Maybe if anyone could understand your gibberish we might find it really funny.

We were discussing your post where you put a swastika on a politician whose opinions you disagree with.
Not just moronic and childish, but fucking boring.[/QUOTE
I wouldn’t be using the pronoun "we " try "you "
also
you would have no chance , first you would have to pull ya head out of the sand.

second , and this is the hard part , ya might have to step out of your comfort zone

My "gibberish tends to be backed up with evidence , and ya know what I cant remember you EVER doing that . You have been told by quite a few people here and are synonymous and famous for "the ostrich syndrome " and/ or a rather conservative view.

Paula bennet,; I didnt put the swastika on the drawing , that was pulled off the internet , which would suggest to me, that others ( quite a few others ) might also disagree with Paulas opinions

Life is back to normal Oscar is being his normal self and I wasn’t in a parallel universe ... was worried there for a moment.

Stephen

Speaking of gibbersih, why don't you learn how to quote posts?

There were at least two people discussing the post, you and me. That makes a collective pronoun correct, i.e. "we" were discussing it.
You shouldn't enter into grammatical arguments, it just makes you look sillier than ever (if that's possible).

As for "evidence", what are you on about?
You posted some childish third form humour, and now you're yammering about evidence?
And you're saying that because you found it on the web, it must be true?
How old are you? 12?

[Usarka]

I was going to post something from Spitting Image but as everyone seems to be all serious found this instead.

Why not!
.......

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Oscar;1130530380]

Speaking of gibbersih, why don't you learn how to quote posts?

There were at least two people discussing the post, you and me. That makes a collective pronoun correct, i.e. "we" were discussing it.
You shouldn't enter into grammatical arguments, it just makes you look sillier than ever (if that's possible).

As for "evidence", what are you on about?
You posted some childish third form humour, and now you're yammering about evidence?
And you're saying that because you found it on the web, it must be true?
How old are you? 12?

no its you .period .

and so "I found it on the internet so it must be true "? High and mighty.... and you cant even read ! damn

I said" there is possibly some others who may also feel the same way about our dear Paula "

Mate I cant remember u posting ANYTHING of substance to back up your arguments, nothing.

Carry on , you are remaining true to form.

Stephen

btw , still pushing sh1t uphill in a fked economy . Hope ya like it it was all your doing! well done , have a kit kat , take a break

[Oscar]

no its you .period .

and so "I found it on the internet so it must be true "? High and mighty.... and you cant even read ! damn

I said" there is possibly some others who may also feel the same way about our dear Paula "

Mate I cant remember u posting ANYTHING of substance to back up your arguments, nothing.

Carry on , you are remaining true to form.

Stephen

btw , still pushing sh1t uphill in a fked economy . Hope ya like it it was all your doing! well done , have a kit kat , take a break

"All your doing?"

I'm glad you've found the culprit

Speaking of backing up arguments, would you like to select anything I've said and disprove it?
Whilst you're at it, could you explain why the fact that I found your post exceedingly silly requires me to prove anything?
Other than the fact that anyone who puts swastikas on politicians is childish and lacking any intelligent wit?

Oh, and could I go on the record to say I find Ms. Bennett loathsome in the extreme, an populist old style beneficiary basher, however comparing her to a Nazi is not really an argument (and basically shows a lack of functioning grey matter).

[oldrider]

Like her or not, it's goodbye to the politician who tried hardest to put the "Great" back into a snivelling (Great?) "Lost Britain"!

IMHO I think she did a pretty good job of it too! R.I.P. Maggie.

[Swoop]

And Maggie,over lunch one day, sunk a Cruiser with all hands, apparently tomake themgive it back" if I remember correctly. The sinking of the GenerealBelgrano by a British Sub.

Quite justified under the circumstances...

and its sinking almost certainly kept the rest of the Argie navy (including an aircraft carrier) in port.

The carrier was not "in port" but at sea, attempting to launch her air wing. Once the Belgrano developed an excessive amount of sea water internally, the Vincente de Mayo went straight back to port with her tail between her legs.

[Edbear]

Ten pages and still going! Factual accounts of history are interesting, just need to weed out the personal opinions from actuality.