The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[mashman]

Nope, pretty sure that was a bullseye.
You'd rather use smilies than your words, and Dog help us if you actually posted anything specific...

Of course that's what you think.
I'm sorry, my responses are limited. You must ask the right questions.

[Brian d marge]

Why don't you try some intellectual rigor - when you express an opinion, why don't you either use the first person singular, or actually tell us who "we" are.
Instead of making half arsed generalisations like some hippy undergrad trying to impress the girls, like - "We know that they're ripping us off, yet we vote for it and then defend them.", how about some facts?
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by using the collective "wee" does that include the singular "oscar "

Facts , hmm them like the ones that the "ones" steeped in the older vernacular tend not to post

Here IS a fact that could start the ball rolling , rego is 591.39 a year hahahahahahaha ...

a reaming we will go , a reaming we will go , hi ho a merrie oh a reaming we will go !!!!! ( insert reamed smiley on floor )

insert 3rd form toilet humour ( spelt with the french "u" for just plain kinkiness)

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

Why isn't the issue. They knew spying on citizens isn't legal and they chose to ignore it. That bit wasn't hard to work out, and even if it was ambiguous I'm sure our top spy agency could figure out how to clarify things.

The alternative is that they're incompetent. I don't like either scenario.

But that is why the law is being changed because under the law it is a catch 22 as I stated in my post above.

everyone at some point has been incompetent but you move on.

Don't like it, neither do I, but crime carries on regardless of what we think as criminals don't play by any rules until they get caught.

We are being spied on every day, just by whom changes by the hour.

[Banditbandit]

We are being spied on every day, just by whom changes by the hour.

That does not make it acceptable. We (meaning all New Zealanders) should be concerned about this and limit as much as possible ...

[BoristheBiter]

That does not make it acceptable. We (meaning all New Zealanders) should be concerned about this and limit as much as possible ...

Meh they can spy on me all they want.
I am pillar of society ........ so basically i live a pretty boring life.

I have more important things to worry about because really this is a non issue.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah .. it's clear we come from opposite ends of the spectrum on this one - I have nothing to hide (any more) ... but I don't like the idea of them spying on my - I like my privacy ... and won't give it up ...


I do everthing I can to limit how much a Government knows about me ... and I know I fail .. but I still try ..

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah .. it's clear we come from opposite ends of the spectrum on this one - I have nothing to hide (any more) ... but I don't like the idea of them spying on my - I like my privacy ... and won't give it up ...


I do everthing I can to limit how much a Government knows about me ... and I know I fail .. but I still try ..

thing is I get your point and would love to live in a world where we can just tolerate, never mind get a long with, each other and the need for this would disappear.

[avgas]

1) don't vote.

2) vote no confidence in the system, just take a vivid with you and write "it's all bullshit, fuck the corporate world" on your ballot

3) winston will keep them honest...

Did 1 and 2 already. Also I started my voting life in BOP - having met the dude several times, I am not likely to vote for him.
He has no ambition for young people - and my theory is if you are not looking for a future, they past is bound to haunt you.

Wish that Mcgillicudy serious party (or whatever it was called) still existed. Was like a polite way to say "Fuck you" on a voting form. Now a vote for the greens is even considered genuine.

[Swoop]

The scary part of all this?
Where is any form of competent and capable opposition to National?

Labour is still wandering around leaderless. The Lunatic Fringe Party (greens) are spouting their normal rhetoric, which has delusions of grandeur but essentially unfeasable.

Mana party?


Well bugger me with a fishfork. The Maori Party are looking sensible in comparison.

Why isn't the issue. They knew spying on citizens isn't legal and they chose to ignore it. The alternative is that they're incompetent.

I don"t think they give a fuck about their oversight requirements. A bit of a rogue monkey which has been off of its leash for quite a while now. A bit like the police not being worried about having cases "investigated" by the "Independant police complaints authority".

[BoristheBiter]

The scary part of all this?
Well bugger me with a fishfork. The Maori Party are looking sensible in comparison.

.

That's only because they know the old saying,

"Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

They are keeping silent.

[oldrider]

Does it matter?
Out of interest what do fellow KB's think I should do next election. Have already voted National, Labour and Greens and don't like any of them any more.
Who should I vote for next?

It doesn't matter who you vote for in NZ any more because you will always end up with an MMP government and nothing important really changes!

MMP is just like re-shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic ... it still sank!

But you all knew that already didn't you ... it's called conditioning!

[BoristheBiter]

MMP is just like re-shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic ... it still sank!

More like MMP is the iceberg. it sinks the unsinkable then drifts off into the darkness.

[Brian d marge]

fuck off , must spread the love ....

sorry fella you aint gettin no love due to site rules

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

sorry fella you aint gettin no love due to site rules

Stephen

Thank fuck for that. we can all sleep easier tonight knowing that.

[BoristheBiter]

I can't be bothered starting a new thread as most opinionated to the partial asset sell off are on here.

Is the Labour/green idea what you hope will come in being?