The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Banditbandit]

And you expect all this to be delivered by a Labour /Green etc government? ... Yeah, right! ... Like they did over their last nine year reign!

Dream on mate, dream on! I have seen a lot of Labour governments in my time and the only significant thing they ever achieved was daylight saving!

No - I don't expect it .. my post was filled with "maybes" ... trying to make you lot think for a change and just stop coming up with knee-jerk reactions like "Labour will be bad for the economy ... " and other such bullshit ... Just maybe other things, that seem quite reasonable in a free market economy, will be what actually happens ...

How has National been good for the economy ??? Unemployment is increasing ... (even Paula Bennett admits there won't be enough jobs to go around.) companies are closing .. SOEs are fucked (Solid Energy ...) ... The Government is selling stuff to overseas interests (liek hospital food) - profits go straight off-shore when they could and should stay here ...

So please tell me .. How has Donkey's Government been good for the economy (no side tracks, no saying Labour would be worse ...) Just tell me how ...

Would you buy a used power company from this Government?

[mashman]

Actually, some of us with money in kiwi saver and with less than 10 years to the magic 65 years old may well give a fuck ... (but not enough for me to change my vote .. I'll take the risk .. I reckon it wil be offset by higher profits/higher dividends in other companies ...)

Just gotta hope that when you're all pipe n slippers that the generation that's paying for it keep on producing

[Swoop]

So I guess when the Stalinist model is imposed...

I see they are calling for a complete ban on handheld lasers now.
Good to see all the legitimate uses for these would be crushed under their Junta...

[mashman]

No - I don't expect it .. my post was filled with "maybes" ... trying to make you lot think for a change and just stop coming up with knee-jerk reactions like "Labour will be bad for the economy ... " and other such bullshit ... Just maybe other things, that seem quite reasonable in a free market economy, will be what actually happens ...

How has National been good for the economy ??? Unemployment is increasing ... (even Paula Bennett admits there won't be enough jobs to go around.) companies are closing .. SOEs are fucked (Solid Energy ...) ... The Government is selling stuff to overseas interests (liek hospital food) - profits go straight off-shore when they could and should stay here ...

So please tell me .. How has Donkey's Government been good for the economy (no side tracks, no saysuing Labour would bne worse ...) Just tell me how ...

Would you buy a used power company from this Government?

Don't forget an extra $40 billion of debt too, potentially closer to $70 billion if media are to be relied upon.

New balls please.

[Scuba_Steve]

No - I don't expect it .. my post was filled with "maybes" ... trying to make you lot think for a change and just stop coming up with knee-jerk reactions like "Labour will be bad for the economy ... " and other such bullshit ... Just maybe other things, that seem quite reasonable in a free market economy, will be what actually happens ...

How has National been good for the economy ??? Unemployment is increasing ... (even Paula Bennett admits there won't be enough jobs to go around.) companies are closing .. SOEs are fucked (Solid Energy ...) ... The Government is selling stuff to overseas interests (liek hospital food) - profits go straight off-shore when they could and should stay here ...

So please tell me .. How has Donkey's Government been good for the economy (no side tracks, no saysuing Labour would bne worse ...) Just tell me how ...

Would you buy a used power company from this Government?

I don't know, from where I'm sitting it seems he's doing alright for an economy... China, Australia & the US all doing good off him I believe

[Banditbandit]

So I guess when the Stalinist model is imposed, that rebate will go.

Central control was also practised by the Fascist (right wing) Government of Mussilini's Italy - by the military junta (right wing) in Cambodia ...

It can also be known as a "planned economy" .. and I'm pretty sure that we have had one of those in the passed ... dare I mention Muldoon ???

We (Godzone that is) actually run a mixed model - some planned and controlled some free market ... do you seriously want to do away with ALL the planned part of our economy ??? Are you sure you can survive that ??? What have you got to sell to help you survive ???

[oldrider]

No - I don't expect it .. my post was filled with "maybes" ... trying to make you lot think for a change and just stop coming up with knee-jerk reactions like "Labour will be bad for the economy ... " and other such bullshit ... Just maybe other things, that seem quite reasonable in a free market economy, will be what actually happens ...

How has National been good for the economy ??? Unemployment is increasing ... (even Paula Bennett admits there won't be enough jobs to go around.) companies are closing .. SOEs are fucked (Solid Energy ...) ... The Government is selling stuff to overseas interests (liek hospital food) - profits go straight off-shore when they could and should stay here ...

So please tell me .. How has Donkey's Government been good for the economy (no side tracks, no saying Labour would be worse ...) Just tell me how ...

Would you buy a used power company from this Government?

I did not say anything about a National Government being good and I don't vote for them either, you must have assumed that!

As much as I don't like National, IMHO they are the best of the useless lot that are in there at the moment, any other combination will only make things worse!

Just because I don't like MMP it does not mean that I automatically favour FFP ... FFS!

[Banditbandit]

I did not say anything about a National Government being good and I don't vote for them either, you must have assumed that!

As much as I don't like National, IMHO they are the best of the useless lot that are in there at the moment, any other combination will only make things worse!

Just because I don't like MMP it does not mean that I automatically favour FFP ... FFS!

Yeah .. Naa bro ... I wasn't making either of the assumptions you believe I was ..

But give me a positive reason to vote FOR National ... not just they are the best ofthe worst ... of the other lot wil be worse ...

What has National achieved ???

[BoristheBiter]

No - I don't expect it .. my post was filled with "maybes" ... trying to make you lot think for a change and just stop coming up with knee-jerk reactions like "Labour will be bad for the economy ... " and other such bullshit ... Just maybe other things, that seem quite reasonable in a free market economy, will be what actually happens ...

How has National been good for the economy ??? Unemployment is increasing ... (even Paula Bennett admits there won't be enough jobs to go around.) companies are closing .. SOEs are fucked (Solid Energy ...) ... The Government is selling stuff to overseas interests (liek hospital food) - profits go straight off-shore when they could and should stay here ...

So please tell me .. How has Donkey's Government been good for the economy (no side tracks, no saying Labour would be worse ...) Just tell me how ...

Would you buy a used power company from this Government?

Well it is stable for a start.

Our work is up, not meaning money wise just the amount of new work that is coming in.
Yes some are still struggling but most are picking up new work.

It's a bit hard to 1) say SOE's ar fuck when it is only one and 2) blame the government when SE belived the coal was worth more and 3) SE failed because it used it's money when it went looking for some green alternative (there isn't one).

Unemployment? should they do what Labour did and move them to the sick? or is it normal for these to go up and down?


Labour has always been bad for the long term economic, look at the last time they were in, $17 billion surplus when they started, $11 billion deficit when they finished.

[blue rider]

Questions, if National is all good, why did English only get 19 % or why was Brash not more successfull?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Brash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_English

what about the legacy left behind by Mrs. Shipley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Shipley

it means very little to me if this country is run by either of the large established partys as they clearly do not care about Mrs and Mr. Joe Six pack and their offspring.


Helen Clark took over from Jenny Shipley......so why did National loose at the time, and if National is so good why did they not take over from Helen Clarke earlier. Clearly they should have no hard time convincing Joe and Jane Ordinary Voter that they are teh very bestest on the ballot.

I to would like to know what National has achived in those years since they took over from Helen Clarke....there must be more than just beneficiary bashing and selling of of states assest and fucked up survailllance on orders of the US Government.

[oldrider]

Yeah .. Naa bro ... I wasn't making either of the assumptions you believe I was ..

But give me a positive reason to vote FOR National ... not just they are the best ofthe worst ... of the other lot wil be worse ...

What has National achieved ???

Well, IMHO I think the float of shares in the SOE's has merit, why?

Because the government is cash strapped and that means the taxpayer has to invest in the state's assets (whether they want to or not!) through taxation.

With the public float, it means only those that "want to invest" will do so and leave my tax share burden alone for other things, nothing if we are lucky!

Sell all of the SOE's would suit me better (but not in Socialist New Zealand) and have government get out of business and focus on their core responsibilities like defence, police and international cooperation/relations!

Cabinet makes all the decisions so why do we need all those other clingons wasting time and money on useless quangos and junkets?

I am finding it hard to suggest why you should vote for National because I won't be doing it myself and the only thing I think they are better at currently than the others, is managing the economy!

On the down side they have just as many drongos as the others, like Smith and that clown Maurice Williamson, too many to list!

So there you have it the best of the rest ... holy shit, what a future this country has!

[BoristheBiter]

Questions, if National is all good, why did English only get 19 % or why was Brash not more successfull?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Brash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_English

what about the legacy left behind by Mrs. Shipley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Shipley

it means very little to me if this country is run by either of the large established partys as they clearly do not care about Mrs and Mr. Joe Six pack and their offspring.


Helen Clark took over from Jenny Shipley......so why did National loose at the time, and if National is so good why did they not take over from Helen Clarke earlier. Clearly they should have no hard time convincing Joe and Jane Ordinary Voter that they are teh very bestest on the ballot.

I to would like to know what National has achived in those years since they took over from Helen Clarke....there must be more than just beneficiary bashing and selling of of states assest and fucked up survailllance on orders of the US Government.

you could say if Labour is so good why did the Nats get back in?
You could also say what has Helen done for the country other than turning it into a blouse wearing country (she only did it to get into the UN and have a comfy job for life)
Every three terms the NZ public forget what the other side (whom every was in last) have fucked up and vote them back in because they are sick of the current lot.

Bill english is not leader material and Don is too far right for the current state of play (John Banks took it from him as Nat wouldn't have him back with so much baggage), hence why he went to act (he lost due to the left saying he was just benny and Maori bashing and Helen brought in the free student loans)

[blue rider]

you could say if Labour is so good why did the Nats get back in?
You could also say what has Helen done for the country other than turning it into a blouse wearing country (she only did it to get into the UN and have a comfy job for life)
Every three terms the NZ public forget what the other side (whom every was in last) have fucked up and vote them back in because they are sick of the current lot.

Bill english is not leader material and Don is too far right for the current state of play (John Banks took it from him as Nat wouldn't have him back with so much baggage), hence why he went to act (he lost due to the left saying he was just benny and Maori bashing and Helen brought in the free student loans)

wow, now thats a non answer if ever there was one.....there are enough here that will tell me what labour and/or Helen clark has done wrong, how come no one likes to say what National and Dear Leader have done right.

disclaimer, i voted for neither party....and will not vote for either party as to me they are the two sides of a coin, and none of them will do anything that the county would actually benefit from. However I do vote.

[Blackbird]

If we waited for any party to do the right thing by voters, Hell would freeze over first. We, as individuals have primary responsibility for providing for ourselves and our families as best we can. Sounds a bit naff when written like that but relying on faceless beauracrats for a leg up only leads to disillusionment and bitterness. Sorry, but it's been that way for time imemorial!

[mashman]

If we waited for any party to do the right thing by voters, Hell would freeze over first. We, as individuals have primary responsibility for providing for ourselves and our families as best we can. Sounds a bit naff when written like that but relying on faceless beauracrats for a leg up only leads to disillusionment and bitterness. Sorry, but it's been that way for time imemorial!

Very true... it don't matter what colour their flag is, the thinking just doesn't change.