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    Katman that is not evidence.
    That fact you think it is says a lot about your ability to read.
    Why would an innocent man change his identity and hide.

    Then again I guess the tapes of the prisoners talking to each other were made under duress as well.

    Details of the Holocaust

    The transcripts contain comprehensive details about the exterminations, including the mass shootings, the killings with carbon monoxide in specially prepared trucks, and the later disinterment and incineration of the bodies as part of "Operation 1005," with which the SS sought to eliminate the traces of the Holocaust starting in 1943.

    Hardly any soldier says that he was directly involved, but many talk about what they saw or heard. The accounts are often astonishingly detailed and, in any case, much more precise than the information German investigators could later glean from witness testimony. In April 1945, Major General Walter Bruns describes what happened during a typical "Jew operation" he witnessed.

    Bruns: "The trenches were 24 meters long and about 3 meters wide. They had to lie down like sardines in a can, with their heads toward the middle. At the top, there were six marksmen with submachine guns who then shot them in the back of the neck. It was already full when I arrived, so the ones who were still alive had to lie on top, and then they got shot. They had to lie there in neat layers so that it wouldn't take up too much space. Before this happened, they had to turn in their valuables at another station. The edge of the forest was here, and in here there were the three trenches on that Sunday, and here there was a line that stretched for one-and-a-half kilometers, and it was moving very slowly. They were standing in line to be killed. When they got closer, they could see what was going on inside. Roughly at this spot, they had to hand over their jewelry and their suitcases. A little farther along, they had to take off their clothes, all except their shirts and underpants. It was just women and little children, like two-year-olds."

    Of the around 6 million victims of the Holocaust, no more than half died in the death camps. About 3 million people died in the ghettoes or were killed by hand, often by a shot to the back of the neck, which made it necessary to create special firing squads. In principle, soldiers in the Wehrmacht were exempt from performing these tasks, which were handled by special SS units and police battalions.

    No Attempt to Keep It Secret

    Many of the reports revolve around the unreasonable demands imposed on the marksmen, the monotony of the work, in which the firing squads had to be relieved every few hours "because of overexertion," and the special challenges of this type of piecework. The shooting of small children was seen as problematic, not for ethical reasons but because they wouldn't stand as still as the adults did.

    Many Wehrmacht soldiers became witnesses to the Holocaust because they happened to be present or were invited to take part in a mass shooting. In one cell conversation, army General Edwin Graf von Rothkirch und Trach talks about his time in the Polish town of Kutno:

    "I knew an SS leader pretty well, and we talked about this and that, and one day he said: 'Listen, if you ever want to film one of these shootings? …I mean, it doesn't really matter. These people are always shot in the morning. If you're interested, we still have a few left over, and we could also shoot them in the afternoon if you like."

    It takes some sense of routine to be able to make such an offer. The fact that the people involved did not try to keep their activities a secret demonstrates how much the perpetrators took for granted the "mass shootings of Jews," as one of the POWs in Trent Park called it. In fact, something resembling execution tourism developed in the conquered territories. In addition to soldiers who were stationed nearby, local residents also came to witness the killings, sometimes even bringing along their children.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-755385-5.html



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    The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

    How's that for successful spin-doctoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

    How's that for successful spin-doctoring.
    What I find incredible is you actually do believe you have any credibility at all.
    You should write a book about holocaust "how it never happened, Its Just a fucking moronic conspiracy" by Steve White



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    And there is evidence that many statements and confessions used in the Nuremberg Trials were obtained by means of torture.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p389_Faurisson.html
    Well Fuck Me Sideways!!!!!

    A Source is given!!!!

    So - lets review your source - as an FYI, I already found that, and it seems to be the only cited source on other sites claiming torture was used - funny that no other evidence is used, just this one.

    The Page is an excerpt from a publication written for the organization who owns the site. Nothing like a self-referential source to start with.

    Next, we have the Publication - the Journal for historic review - which is a non-peer reviewed publication.
    Then we have the site which is primarily a site for Holocaust denial - So we can expect unbiased research, obviously.

    But all that is ad hominem and character assassination on my part.

    Lets see the evidence cited in the source shall we?

    There is an excerpt from the man's memoirs indicating some abuse but also I find this line interesting:

    Although the conditions in prison were, in every respect, good -- I read whenever I had the time, and there was a well stocked library available -- the interrogations were extremely unpleasant, not so much physically, but far more because of their strong psychological effect. I cannot really blame the interrogators -- they were all Jews.
    It suggests not so much Torture in the physical sense, but the use of psychological pressure. but lets see what else they present, It's not like Hoss had anything to gain by claiming coercion.

    Then the source has an Eye Witness testimony on the capture of Hoss - however it sets up a strawman in implying that because physical force was used in the capture, so too must it have been used in the interrogation.

    It then details 3 days of sleep deprivation. Which is up for debate whether it is totrure or not:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_...#Interrogation

    Bearing in mind that the above is all Eye witness testimony and supposedly by Jews (whose evidence you dismiss out of hand)

    Finally we have a section form Mark Weber, which I think is the most telling bit:

    Thanks to a document that I obtained from American researcher Mark Weber, who gave me a copy of it in Washington in September of 1983 (a document whose exact source I not yet authorized to indicate)
    This would be the same Mark Weber who is a noted White Supremecist - but I see a curious similarity between the above "I have done the research and have the evidence, you just can't have it" and those posting in this thread.

    so there you have it - A single source riddled with strawmen, from a biased organisation, citing only eye witness accounts that has not been peer reviewed.

    You will note in all the sources I provided - I provided 3 separate and independant (and where possible) unbiased sources.
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    That's wonderful dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    It suggests not so much Torture in the physical sense, but the use of psychological pressure.
    Did you read the comments quoted from Senator McCarthy in the other link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Did you read the comments quoted from Senator McCarthy in the other link?
    To be honest - no. Because everything you submitted was from biased, disreputable, non-peer reviewed sources. I did you the courtesy of looking at one of your sources and found it to be piss poor (for the reasons stated above)

    but anyway - I am growing tired of the circular reasoning, strawmens and non-existant or biased sources, So please post up something worthy of debate or be dismissed as the despicable human beings you are so far making yourselves out to be.
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    Did you read the comments by Justice Wennerstrum who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

    (In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Did you read the comments by Justice Wenersturm who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

    (In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).
    Did you post something peer reviewed, unbiased and reputable? No?

    However - a quick search shows Justice Wennersturm did criticize the Nuremberg trails, but I couldn't find anything reputable to give any details except for his Wiki Page:

    'The trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders,' he said in 1948. 'They convinced the Germans merely that they lost the war to tough conquerors.'
    Which was from his Obituary - I couldn't find anything else on any reputable site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Did you read the comments by Justice Wenersturm who called into question the integrity of the whole Nuremberg Trials?

    (In much the same way that Thomas Keen and Lee Hamilton called into question the integrity of the 9/11 Commission).
    Fuck they must be related, so how do we tie in the moon landings and JFK.
    Funny how you only see what it is that suits
    Remember when anyone shows you trial and hearing results, You so fuck off who cares that proves nothing. and now when a judge says something may have been not right it proves your point...................I just love what a total retarded hypocrite you are. You are epic.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    The thing I find most incredible is that even though there have been people questioning the story right from day one it took till only about 6 months ago for me to even realise that there are people who question the Holocaust story.

    How's that for successful spin-doctoring.
    yw .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    However - a quick search shows Justice Wennersturm did criticize the Nuremberg trails, but I couldn't find anything reputable to give any details except for his Wiki Page:
    He made his comments in the Chicago Daily Tribune of Feb 23 1948.

    Look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Wiki Page:

    - I couldn't find anything else on any reputable site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Your position has been made clear by you in other posts and anytime you are asked to show what evidence you have, or to read anything you don't want to you burry your head in the sand and go LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALAL.
    So your position is pale winging pom with his Bum in the Air
    You're sadly mistaken boy.
    Sweet irony.

    And if your evidence is popular opinion... then Katman wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    You're sadly mistaken boy.
    Sweet irony.

    And if your evidence is popular opinion... then Katman wins.
    Katman loses that is why he believes everything is a conspiracy. He needs to.
    Reminds me of a few others.............



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