The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Brian d marge]

I have.

I suggest you participate in the debate in a logical manner. Because currently the evidence that you are pushing an antisemitic agenda vastly outweighs that of any holocaust agenda by all zionists.

Refering you back to post 2234 , Top line .....Think I made that very clear from the get go

As for reading , From your replies , Im guessing you haven't.

I think a lot of Palestinians might disagree with the last part of the above . As an aside , if you want concentration camps , Gazzas pretty big !

There might well be some very nice Zionist , people ... but the way a few ( see 2234 top line of the quotes ) are going about thing , dont look so hot for the rest of em

I know some very nice Americans , doesn't mean I like the government ( or who tends to call the shots in that government )

Stephen

[bogan]

Refering you back to post 2234 , Top line .....Think I made that very clear from the get go

As for reading , From your replies , Im guessing you haven't.

I think a lot of Palestinians might disagree with the last part of the above . As an aside , if you want concentration camps , Gazzas pretty big !

There might well be some very nice Zionist , people ... but the way a few ( see 2234 top line of the quotes ) are going about thing , dont look so hot for the rest of em

I know some very nice Americans , doesn't mean I like the government ( or who tends to call the shots in that government )

Stephen

You keep saying you're not deriding the whole group. But the keep doing it anyway. Zionists are the people in the same way that Americans are, now who is for them what the govt (bush /wmd) is for zionists? Who is it you really don't like, and just how do they fit in with zionism and alleged holocaust agenda?

[Brian d marge]

But he also says the information that is being used to prove the holocaust happened was from a jewish website so it can't be used as it is agenda based and biased.

Then posts information from a hate website to prove his point.

When asked where it was from he doesn't answer.
When asked why this website would use information known for 60 years to be wrong and based on pre-war estimates guess what he doesn't answer

Its like he's Katman without the swearing and abusive comments. Only thing is I know Stephens actually Smart, just generally pissed.
Where everybody knows Katman has incontinence issues and is not very bright.

What's the bet akzel will be along soon to tell us all how the Judas Goat has seduced him again
followed my Yokel with tails of sheep

Snip.

Then posts information from a hate website to prove his point.

I should stop drinking then my ESP would be as sharply honed as yours

You ARE Assuming it was a HATE site ( might have been reading one of me old penthouse magazines for all you know )

I then, refereed you to ( I think quite an unbiased forum where at the risk of shooting me-self in the foot ,,) had ALL the info one desired

I think that might qualify as giving some evidence ! or posting a link or sumfink like that .

Its not my fault if people are comfortable with the status quo ( https://youtu.be/bNPJuJSVmNA )

Some people think John Key is a very nice man , he probably is ,

BUT and here comes the BUTT to rule all BUTTS . Some people are using world events to further their own agenda FOR EXAMPLE; there is a saying there is No business like the Holocaust business

No THAT aint right , just plain wrong ( he goes back to post 2234 ...zoooom)

Snip;The holocaust tm happened but so have others

The brits invented the game in south africa . . Not reported

Now if

The holocaust is being used to further an agenda
Not cool bad juju

And even worse if its was created to further an agenda . .that really bad juju

This is why doubt is important

Otherwise ya start believing that 2 planes knocked down 3 buildings

The were weapons of mass destruction

And the removal of black jelly babies was a zionist plot
So, IF your happy with the status quo , fine .... but there could be a chance that you are being used
and if your happy with that Thats fine by me.


I will still wake up tomorrow and make sure your motorbikes dont fall apart ...and my wife will still be shouting and the kids may or may not still texting on their fkin Iphones

Me, I would like to be a least aware of what some are up to so I know when to withdraw my money ( I cant support a drinking habit on 60 euros a day ) and run to the hills ( safety , not this one https://youtu.be/3ZlDZPYzfm4)

Finally Im happy to be included in that fine list of people ,

Humbled even , thank you .

Stephen

[oldrider]

You keep saying you're not deriding the whole group. But the keep doing it anyway. Zionists are the people in the same way that Americans are, now who is for them what the govt (bush /wmd) is for zionists? Who is it you really don't like, and just how do they fit in with zionism and alleged holocaust agenda?

The same guys that foisted Obama upon the world - the ones that matter - appear to be intermingled:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

[husaberg]

. As an aside , if you want concentration camps , Gazzas pretty big !
Stephen

Stephen What country was the Gazza strip part of prior to 1967?
Also what sort of concentration camp has one of the fast growing populations in the world.

Remember you were going to answer some questions for me Stephen
You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting

Snip.

Then posts information from a hate website to prove his point.

I should stop drinking then my ESP would be as sharply honed as yours

You ARE Assuming it was a HATE site ( might have been reading one of me old penthouse magazines for all you know )

I then, refereed you to ( I think quite an unbiased forum where at the risk of shooting me-self in the foot ,,) had ALL the info one desired

I think that might qualify as giving some evidence ! or posting a link or sumfink like that .

Its not my fault if people are comfortable with the status quo ( https://youtu.be/bNPJuJSVmNA )

Some people think John Key is a very nice man , he probably is ,

BUT and here comes the BUTT to rule all BUTTS . Some people are using world events to further their own agenda FOR EXAMPLE; there is a saying there is No business like the Holocaust business

No THAT aint right , just plain wrong ( he goes back to post 2234 ...zoooom)

Snip;The holocaust tm happened but so have others

The brits invented the game in south africa . . Not reported

Now if

The holocaust is being used to further an agenda
Not cool bad juju

And even worse if its was created to further an agenda . .that really bad juju

This is why doubt is important

Otherwise ya start believing that 2 planes knocked down 3 buildings

The were weapons of mass destruction

And the removal of black jelly babies was a zionist plot
So, IF your happy with the status quo , fine .... but there could be a chance that you are being used
and if your happy with that Thats fine by me.


I will still wake up tomorrow and make sure your motorbikes dont fall apart ...and my wife will still be shouting and the kids may or may not still texting on their fkin Iphones

Me, I would like to be a least aware of what some are up to so I know when to withdraw my money ( I cant support a drinking habit on 60 euros a day ) and run to the hills ( safety , not this one https://youtu.be/3ZlDZPYzfm4)

Finally Im happy to be included in that fine list of people ,

Humbled even , thank you .

Stephen

Number of questions answered ZERO
I see a bright future in politics for you Stephen
PS it wasn't esp I just tracked your image.

[bogan]

The same guys that foisted Obama upon the world - the ones that matter - appear to be intermingled:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

Oh look, another guy telling us to watch some shit instead of giving a straight answer. No I will not be indoctrinated into your bigoted hatred.

[Brian d marge]

You keep saying you're not deriding the whole group. But the keep doing it anyway. Zionists are the people in the same way that Americans are, now who is for them what the govt (bush /wmd) is for zionists? Who is it you really don't like, and just how do they fit in with zionism and alleged holocaust agenda?

I Knew you had not a clue .

What you are doing, Is asking me in a simple email to explain 35 year of motorbike engineering and all the experience I have gained just because , as you wonderfully tried to say to me, you cant be arsed doing a basic amount of googleing

you would not have even written the above post, if you had googled or were up to speed ,,, it would have been more like Why is The Israeli prime minister lobbying congress so hard .....or something along those lines

come back when you are familiar with the basics.

[bogan]

I Knew you had not a clue .

What you are doing, Is asking me in a simple email to explain 35 year of motorbike engineering and all the experience I have gained just because , as you wonderfully tried to say to me, you cant be arsed doing a basic amount of googleing

you would not have even written the above post, if you had googled or were up to speed ,,, it would have been more like Why is The Israeli prime minister lobbying congress so hard .....or something along those lines

come back when you are familiar with the basics.

You keep saying that too, yet I keep showing you otherwise.

So are you now saying its the israeli govt that are the bad men? and not religious zionism at all? Because you previously kept pointing me to research zionism as if it would somehow explain the origin of these 'bad men'.

I'm not adding things like who lobbies who because I am trying to do a logical reduction to find out what you really think. Don't not confuse yourself by reading into that as me not knowing about that sort of goings on.

[Brian d marge]

Stephen What country was the Gazza strip part of prior to 1967?

you might want to ask an Arab ( not the American ones) or a Palestinian ... but Im damn sure it wasn't any thing the Brits created

Also what sort of concentration camp has one of the fast growing populations in the world.

Honda. both are not nice places to live ......




You have not given your source of that information. Still waiting what website this was gleaned from
You have not answered why it was your source would use the information from the 1948 figures when now as then it was known to be based on 1938 figures. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why would they use the 1949 figures when it is known to be based on data collected after the war.Still waiting
You have also not answered why the tapes and transcripts of the prisoner conversations in cells secretly recorded can be dismissed as being incorrect. Still waiting
Nor have you answered why the exact figure of those killed is so important to the denial camp. Still waiting
So where did all the prisoners that we know arrived by train to the camps go. Did they disappear like smoke.Still waiting




Number of questions answered ZERO
I see a bright future in politics for you Stephen
PS it wasn't esp I just tracked your image.

As I said Them YOUR questions ...nowt to do with the narrative I've set forth ....( see TXH2234)
AND I refereed you to a place of ultimate wisdom from where knowledge issues forth

Sorry for the stress that image may have caused ...it was Monday

Stephen

[husaberg]

As I said Them YOUR questions ...nowt to do with the narrative I've set forth ....( see TXH2234)
AND I refereed you to a place of ultimate wisdom from where knowledge issues forth

Sorry for the stress that image may have caused ...it was Monday

Stephen

I doesn't cause me either distress or stress.
You were the one who posted the evidence I subjected it to a bit of scrutiny seems its does not stand up to any.
I asked the questions, you have evade them upright. So it is pretty evident you are unable to answer the questions about there origin as it does not suit you to do so.
Its not a long bow to draw the conclusion to why it is you will not answer the questions.
The reason for highlighting what occurred in Europe in the 40's is the obvious parallel of what happened when a group of people used the same Jewish world domination conspiracy then
There has been many atrocities committed but how many were this large so well documented and used the same ideals that are being pushed here.

[Brian d marge]

I doesn't cause me either distress or stress.
You were the one who posted the evidence I subjected it to a bit of scrutiny seems its does not stand up to any.
I asked the questions, you have evade them upright. So it is pretty evident you are unable to answer the questions about there origin as it does not suit you to do so.
Its not a long bow to draw the conclusion to why it is you will not answer the questions.

Of course, IF you REFER to the Forum I posted you will see that A LOT of the evidence DOESNT stack up and its better than I could do !

Which is the Narrative ( evidence doesn't stack up) .... i have been saying all along ...if you want to prove timetables or weather pattern or the star of David , by all mean knock yourself out

On a note about evidence , it does seem to be ( a lot of it ) either presented by ( as I have said) a German with a rope around his neck OR a Jewish historian ( wonder which side they will support ) IMHO...

Here an aside , Who profits most from all of this ....isnt me ..not you , not 99% of the jewish people ... maybe the ones with access to the deep water port where all the pipelines exit ... or maybe someone who wants a new Israel a new super power ? ( bye America! , oh and that Russian fleet in Ukraine is going to be a pain in the arse ) Yes who does profit from all of this , what Incentive ?

or was it a crazy with a silly Moustache , whom people adored ?

You call , I dont care

Stephen

the question you should be asking is WHY .......

[Brian d marge]

You keep saying that too, yet I keep showing you otherwise.

So are you now saying its the israeli govt that are the bad men? and not religious zionism at all? Because you previously kept pointing me to research zionism as if it would somehow explain the origin of these 'bad men'.

I'm not adding things like who lobbies who because I am trying to do a logical reduction to find out what you really think. Don't not confuse yourself by reading into that as me not knowing about that sort of goings on.

mate is plainly clear you havent looked into this...

Snip;So are you now saying its the israeli govt that are the bad men? and not religious zionism at all? Because you previously kept pointing me to research zionism as if it would somehow explain the origin of these 'bad men'


I cant be any clearer

Stephen

[husaberg]

Of course, IF you REFER to the Forum I posted you will see that A LOT of the evidence DOESNT stack up and its better than I could do !

Which is the Narrative ( evidence doesn't stack up) .... i have been saying all along ...if you want to prove timetables or weather pattern or the star of David , by all mean knock yourself out

On a note about evidence , it does seem to be ( a lot of it ) either presented by ( as I have said) a German with a rope around his neck OR a Jewish historian ( wonder which side they will support ) IMHO...

Here an aside , Who profits most from all of this ....isnt me ..not you , not 99% of the jewish people ... maybe the ones with access to the deep water port where all the pipelines exit ... or maybe someone who wants a new Israel a new super power ? ( bye America! , oh and that Russian fleet in Ukraine is going to be a pain in the arse ) Yes who does profit from all of this , what Incentive ?

or was it a crazy with a silly Moustache , whom people adored ?
You call , I dont care
Stephen
the question you should be asking is WHY .......

Evidence never fits perfectly but when you want to make it fit what ever you want you start doing selective data manipulation.
This is what I pointed out was the evidence you offered, you provided it freely no one held a firearm to your head.
But you then refused to answer any questions about it.
As I have said there are tapes and transcripts of German prisoners discussing the events with each other that had no noose around there heads.
Huge amounts of witness states diary entries documents drawing photos.
Feel free to hold any opinion but if you express it expect it to be questioned if you can't answer the questions posed of you your opinion is on shaky ground
There is a line between questioning history by looking for facts this does not involve fitting selective data to suit.
There is a Chinese proverb that expresses quite well how a fool looks at things and only sees what he wants to see.

[Brian d marge]

Evidence never fits perfectly but when you want to make it fit what ever you want you start doing selective data manipulation.
This is what I pointed out was the evidence you offered, you provided it freely no one held a firearm to your head.
But you then refused to answer any questions about it.
As I have said there are tapes and transcripts of German prisoners discussing the events with each other that had no noose around there heads.
Huge amounts of witness states diary entries documents drawing photos.
Feel free to hold any opinion but if you express it expect it to be questioned if you can't answer the questions posed of you your opinion is on shaky ground
There is a line between questioning history by looking for facts this does not involve fitting selective data to suit.
There is a Chinese proverb that expresses quite well how a fool looks at things and only sees what he wants to see.

no problem in you questioning , or providing other evidence That forum seems to be the place from what Ive read

As Im afraid the evidence we both are looking for , is tainted most if not all is corrupt , Sorry yours to

but Step back and question your self ..IS there a bigger picture ? Greece, is there a bigger picture Damn right , do I have documents sitting on my desk ...NO ,,,,but there is a huge amount of smoke which cannot be ignored ( D Wight Eisenhower apology ..why would he do that? )

Yes I think there is, insert oldriders link , The bigger picture has made itself clear in NZ and Greece , ( money talks and has )
finally;
I could apply that chineese proverb to you ..

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Barclays League Division 1

Away games... China wins by default

Tamerlane (Timur)Tamerlane's life (c. 1336–1405) was spent conquering the inhabitants of Asia. A Turkik Mongol, his goal was to make his capital, Samarkand, the most impressive in Asia. Yet he rarely stayed at home, preferring to vanquish and destroy additional lands. Legendary for his ruthless savagery and lack of mercy, Tamerlane massacred entire populations—including the 80,000 residents of Delhi— and razed whole cities, leaving behind nothing but rubble. And he had a macabre sense of architecture—building towers out of the skulls of his victims.

KINKY Ivan the Terrible (Ivan IV)

On January 16, 1547, Ivan became the first czar of Russia, ruling until 1584. His early reign was primarily spent in battle in an effort to expand Russian land. His tyrannical cruelty only developed later in life, when he turned increasingly paranoid and vindictive—historians suspect mental instability. In 1570, Ivan formed a troop of personal bodyguards called oprichniki, who answered only to him and became the vehicle for massacring his perceived enemies over a seven-year period (1565–1572). The landed gentry was Ivan's particular nemesis, and he unleashed his oprichniki upon thousands of them. He was equally guilty of domestic violence, killing his son and heir, Ivan, in a state of fury, as well as several of his wives—he is believed to have had seven of them.

thats going to piss the feminists off ...bad man

Maximillien Robespierre

Robespierre was the mastermind of the Reign of Terror (1793–1794), the dark underside of the French Revolution that perverted its lofty ideals of democracy with fanaticism and inhumanity. Robespierre, leader of the infamous Committee of Public Safety, turned France into a police state, sending "enemies of the nation" to the guillotine without benefit of a public trial or legal representation. About 40,000 French men and women were executed or died in prison, and another 300,000 were imprisoned. Only Robespierre's own beheading ended the slaughter

Joseph Stalin

Totalitarian leader of the U.S.S.R. from 1929–53, Stalin crushed the Soviet peoples with his megalomania and repressive version of communism. His adopted name meant "man of steel," and the term Stalinism has become the definition of a cruel, draconian socialism. He sent millions of Soviets not conforming to the Stalinist ideal to forced-labor camps, and he persecuted his country's vast number of ethnic groups—reserving particular vitriol for Jews and Ukranians. Soviet historian Roy Medvedev estimated that about 20 million died from starvation, executions, forced collectivization, and life in the labor camps under Stalin's rule. Another 20 million survived imprisonment and deportation.


Adolf Hitler History's most chilling tyrant, Hitler controlled Germany from 1933–45. His fascist maneuverings for world domination, his dream of a Teutonic master race subjugating all non-Germanic peoples, led to a criminality unmatched by any leader this millennium. Responsible for the genocide of six million Jews, the slaughter of Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, Communists, and other "undesirables" and "decadents," as well as the invasion of Europe and the preposterous ambition to rule the world, Hitler defies any more sophisticated explanation than categorical evil.


Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-tung)

A despotic ideologue who controlled China from 1949–76, Mao subjected the Chinese people to his massive social experiments, all of which went catastrophically amok. Early in his reign, he encouraged free speech in an attempt to avoid the mistakes of Stalinism. When criticism of his regime arose, however, his true sentiments—absolute intolerance of dissent and opposition—emerged, and he retaliated savagely. When he launched the Great Leap Forward—his economic plan to forge an industrial revolution in China—it resulted in the worst famine of the century, described as a "totally unnecessary, entirely man-made holocaust that claimed between 23 million and 30 million lives." He then masterminded the Cultural Revolution, which, despite its ideological claim to "purify" communism of bureaucrats and elitists, was a vehicle for settling Mao's personal scores and shoring up power. During the nightmarish decade when culture was equated with depravity, millions—most of whom were guilty of the crime of belonging to the bourgeoisie—were imprisoned, tortured, and murdered as suspected class enemies.


Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier

Up to 60,000 Haitians died under the 1957–71 reign of Duvalier, and millions were exiled. With his henchmen, the Tontons Macoutes ("Bogeymen"), Duvalier terrorized and murdered potential political foes and ordinary Haitians. Trained as a doctor—hence his ironically paternalistic nickname—Duvalier declared himself President-for-Life in 1964 and portrayed himself as a semidivine, voodoo-empowered ruler . . . a portrait shows him posing with Jesus Christ. His corrupt policies spawned a fabulously wealthy elite and a dirt-poor populace—Haitians' per capita annual income under Duvalier was $80, the lowest in the Western Hemisphere. After his death, his pudgy, somewhat dim son Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier was enthroned, and carried on his father's venal policies until he was driven out of the country in 1986.

Nicolae Ceausescu

Running a neo-Stalinist police state from 1967–89, Nicolae Ceausescu wound the iron curtain tightly around Romania, turning a moderately prosperous country into one at the brink of starvation. To repay his $10 billion foreign debt in 1982, he ransacked the Romanian economy of everything that could be exported, leaving the country with desperate shortages of food, fuel, and other essentials. Yet no costs were spared for his own self glorification—the self-proclaimed "Genius of the Carpathians" spent lavishly on party office buildings and personal residences. Ceausescu also razed thousands of villages and forced citizens into concrete high-rises, a misguided socialist idea of modernity as well as a way of wiping out Romanian culture and history. His corruption and nepotism were legion, and former Secretary of State George Shultz claimed that during Ceausescu's reign, Romania had "possibly the worst" human rights record in the East bloc. No score noted

Idi Amin

Brutally authoritarian president of Uganda from 1971–79, Idi Amin oversaw the torture and murder of an estimated 300,000 of his own people. He orchestrated the persecution of the Lango and Acholi tribes, and expelled all 60,000 ethnic Asians from the country, thereby destroying the economy. He lined his own pockets with his country's wealth, and as an advocate of Islamic terrorism, was personally involved in the Palestinian hijacking at Entebbe in July 1976. With his bombast and buffoonery, he gained an international reputation as a parody of an African despot: he called himself "Conqueror of the British Empire" and the national heavyweight boxing champion of Uganda, for example, and claimed to have direct conversations with God. As amusing as his pompous antics were from afar, his savagery and repression have deeply scarred Uganda, in spite of its remarkable recovery under current President Yoweri Museveni. Today, Amin lives in a large marble villa in Saudia Arabia.

Pol Pot

Radical Marxist leader of Cambodia from 1975–79, who butchered his own people. The four years of nightmarish Khmer Rouge rule led to the state-sponsored extermination of citizens by its own government. Between 1 million and 2 million people were massacred on the "killing fields" of Cambodia or were worked to death through forced labor. Pol Pot's radical vision of transforming the country into a Marxist agrarian society led to the virtual extermination of the country's professional and technical class—anyone wearing glasses, for example, was murdered. Pol Pot died in 1998 without remorse, declaring, "My conscience is clear."

Christian Judaic alliance

Britain

The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these concentration camps^.