The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[puddytat]

Those are exactly the events that I had in mind there Mashman. ...

[blue rider]

It can go in here too

Bit of a scarey read really

"Top secret US National Security Agency (NSA) documents disclosed by the Guardian have shocked the world with revelations of a comprehensive US-based surveillance system with direct access to Facebook, Apple, Google, Microsoft and other tech giants. New Zealand court records suggest that data harvested by the NSA's Prism system has been fed into the Five Eyes intelligence alliance whose members also include the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand."

"The study also warned of a possible shortfall in global oil output by 2015"

"The Pentagon knows that environmental, economic and other crises could provoke widespread public anger toward government and corporations in coming years. The revelations on the NSA's global surveillance programmes are just the latest indication that as business as usual creates instability at home and abroad, and as disillusionment with the status quo escalates, Western publics are being increasingly viewed as potential enemies that must be policed by the state."

Patriot Act, Rogue Nations, USAmerican Interst Overseas...etc...really anyone is surprised by this?

Stasi anyone? the lovely Part of Germany I was not allowed to travel to without a proper German Passport? The funny little place with odd accents and only 11 million people living there that all spied on each other as so called "informal agent'

Maybe I do live in the past, but fuck I do remember that shit well, sitting in Westberlin in Kreuzberg watching the geezer on the other side of the wall watching me. T'was much fun.



Who thinks differently is the enemy.

welcome to the new world order.

[mashman]

Those are exactly the events that I had in mind there Mashman. ...

Fark it's a mess innit bro. I used to think that my darker thoughts were just mine and now they're turning the screw. I do wonder if it's measures to protect themselves because they're scared about the public's reaction to seeing their darker side... or if they really are that hell bent on control and would happily destroy the place before giving it up and admitting that they're wrong.

Patriot Act, Rogue Nations, USAmerican Interst Overseas...etc...really anyone is surprised by this?

Stasi anyone? the lovely Part of Germany I was not allowed to travel to without a proper German Passport? The funny little place with odd accents and only 11 million people living there that all spied on each other as so called "informal agent'

Maybe I do live in the past, but fuck I do remember that shit well, sitting in Westberlin in Kreuzberg watching the geezer on the other side of the wall watching me. T'was much fun.

Who thinks differently is the enemy.

welcome to the new world order.

Some of us are only just coming to terms with people who hold such strong beliefs that they'll do anything, and I do mean anything, to protect what they consider to be their way of life. Seeing it happening is surprising for me. Why didn't you warn us eh

[puddytat]

. I do wonder if it's measures to protect themselves because they're scared about the public's reaction to seeing their darker side... or if they really are that hell bent on control and would happily destroy the place before giving it up and admitting that they're wrong.
:

The later I think....

[mashman]

The later I think....

Oh gawd... do ya reckon the army's of the west are that loyal to their govts? I know the mindless cops are

[avgas]

I'm terribly sorry, but no-one pays us. And to suggest such would be to be completely wrong.

Holy shit! - You must work for Mashman then

[avgas]

Those are exactly the events that I had in mind there Mashman. ...

Some say that comets will fall from the sky.........

[mashman]

Some say that comets will fall from the sky.........

You know what that kind of talk does to me... tell me more

[puddytat]

Oh gawd... do ya reckon the army's of the west are that loyal to their govts? I know the mindless cops are

Yeah I reckon they are , up to a point. But NZEDS somewhat different to the rest of the world & unique in many ways. I'd like to think that the Miltary would never front up to the people of Aotearoa because for those circumstance to arise , well things'll be turning to custard & it wont be an economic or Political crisis that'll have caused it. I expect we'll need them to help save ourselves.

[puddytat]

Its the fault lines that've got me worried......

[mashman]

Yeah I reckon they are , up to a point. But NZEDS somewhat different to the rest of the world & unique in many ways. I'd like to think that the Miltary would never front up to the people of Aotearoa because for those circumstance to arise , well things'll be turning to custard & it wont be an economic or Political crisis that'll have caused it. I expect we'll need them to help save ourselves.

Fuck those thoughts give me the bad shivers and if it gets that bad they can count me in to stand by their side.

[Tarded]

Out of curiosity why do youse think the military or the cops automatically support the govt that they 'work for' ?

They may well not have voted for them.

The politics at the top and the thoughts of those at the face are not automatically aligned.
Its a large assumption.

[blue rider]

Out of curiosity why do youse think the military or the cops automatically support the govt that they 'work for' ?

They may well not have voted for them.

The politics at the top and the thoughts of those at the face are not automatically aligned.
Its a large assumption.

because they get paid to follow orders and to a very large extend will follow orders all the way to hell.
cause if ya don't do anything against the law ya don't have anything to fear.

[Brian d marge]

IF you think its bad now , just have a wee peek at Elizabethan time

That may have had it a bit better , due to the lack of modern knowledge , ( its was all gods doing back then)

So they may have been happier?

but if " the man " was on ya back,,,,, by crickey you knew about it ....

If you were accused of a crime , you could plead or not plead , if you pleaded , then most likey you were guilty in some way and punished ( hung most likely )

if you refused to plead , the laid you down , put a plank along your bogy the rocks ontop until you were crushed

Many people refused to plead

( tough as nails they were in my day , none of this pansy poofie prision , ...I mean in my day they hung you UP ....., by the wrists only took you down if you passed out ...!!)


as for the spy networlk ,,,Charles Chival??? lizzies secretary ...he was the MAN !!!!..... Informed on Himself and nailed Himself to the wall just because he thought about stealing

Stephen

ps sod the spell check , my station is next ,,,,so suffer ,,,,,,i

[Tarded]

well day to day yeah of course but in the 'shit hits the fan acting against their countrymen' scenario I disagree.

Its a job, not a reprogramming despite the popular foil hat view.

I know that debunks a myth very dear to some hearts. Oh well, they will live on.

And yeah obviously if you dont get into shit you dont get nicked. Most laws are pretty simple.