The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Banditbandit]

Hmmmm, I will try to explain what I mean by civil disobedience and organised chaos.

I don't disagree with you about our basic rights but there are those that will use that for there own ends and that is where it gets dangerous.

Irrespective of who is right or wrong in the recent upheavals in Brazil, Turkey, et al, the resulting confusion and breakdown of order will take a long time to heal.

I don't think that "causes deep social divisions" is reason enough to ban civil disobedience .. look that the NZ Springbok tour ... a prime example of civil disobedience in GodZone .. the hurts are still there ...

If you extrapolate these events out all over the world, (which wouldn't take too much to do) the resulting chaos would take forever to get sorted! (IMHO)

Already there are many suggestions/questions circulating of just who are the beneficiaries of these disruptions and why?

Remember the notices printed on fireworks of old! ... "Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand!"

I believe that if this behaviour is ignited and spread around the world simultaneously, it will take many, many, decades to get back to where we are now.

Yes .. but ... see I don't think we want to get back to where were are now - we want change, we want it now ... and it is going to happen .. I don't mean in GodZone, I mean the poor, the powerless, the disaffected and the disadvantaged of the world ... I'm all in favour of the social revolutions going on right now (my worry is the Middle East where the Islamic extremists seem to be winning - remembering that many peole think ordinary MUslims are extreme - they are not)

There are many many poor and oppressed and disaffected and disenfranchised and disempowered and simply hungry people in the world .. in this day and age, with the technology we have .. is it any wonder that some people have taken to the streets ??

[Banditbandit]

moreover we've handled it in exactly the same way that our parents handled it, we said NO! End of!

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

[mashman]

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

Tis the reason we have laws innit? That's a big No! End of! No? Irrespective, if a parent tells you No (which they do) and you're going to go ahead and do it anyway (and by fuck did we, do we, don't they) then we're hardly saying yes are we? What kid hasn't wanted everything now? Kids grow up faster these days and "we're" just not prepared for that as a society, in fact we're taking things away from them that could otherwise keep them busy and not offering any form of fun in return. We're too busy working to provide for the kids and leaving kids to be raised by kids... and as you say, as long as they keep their noses clean, they can get away with it forever, the parents will never know. Does that mean we're more lenient? or just too lazy/busy to raise our kids? Adults fuckin suck, they really don't understand kids/youth at all. Maybe they've just forgotten what it was like.

Maybe, but I doubt it very much and I certainly wouldn't equate No! End Of! with learning values. Maybe the value of stuff, but half of the time they don't grasp the concepts of the values you're trying to teach because they're too young. Wonder how often, when a kid nods its head in acknowledgement, that it really doesn't understand at all? Has the adult taken it as red that the kid now understands the "value" associated with the "chat"? Coz if that's what happens (which I does as I am just as guilty of that), then it's hardly surprising that kids are supposedly unruly. They have no frame of reference and I think we take it for granted that they do.

[avgas]

I'd be happy with a simple No Confidence vote ...

The 'Merikan system ??? Bugga that !!!

a) We have had that for years. 25% of the people did it last time. Nothing change. The house has the same number of members, they are paid the same amounts and their bonuses were the same size. As mentioned earlier - until we have a full blown vent for this 25%......I see nothing changes. Even if there was a "no confidence" option.
We need riots. We need force to dislodge this rock.

b) Nah they get paid too much there. I was thinking a facade. All show no actions. Could get actors to do it for $50K a year.

[Akzle]

Still waiting to vote for "No Government" option.
We could replace them with movie star actors who pretend to know what they are doing.

fuck that.

Vote Akzle!


(srsly, cross out everyone on your ballot and write "akzle for PM")

[Akzle]

now we have to
teach them as adults - often by
banging them in prison !!!


Thats nasty. Dont drop the soap nigga!

[BoristheBiter]

See - I don't believe that people did say that - our parents said to us . adn we said Naa .. we'll be different wth our kids .. and we were more lenient .. and that's what's fucked up the next generation - they want everything now .. with no consequences ...

Maybe if we had said "No, end Of" then they might have learnt some values ... now we have to teach them as adults - often by banging them in prison !!!

And see it completely differently.
They have forgot to teach them manners.
They have tried to be their children's best mate instead of being their parents.
And even worse than that is grand parents that let little johnny get away with even more.

the scary part is these fuck ups are going to be running the country. you guys bleat on about JK but think what's coming.

[mashman]

Shonkey Donkey just wants to keep us safe.... what a fuckin chicken shit toss bag.

[oneofsix]

Shonkey Donkey just wants to keep us safe.... what a fuckin chicken shit toss bag.

Those dirty Labour bastards not trusting the GCSB to spy on us and get it right They will thankfully never get re-elected unless they start doing it the American way

[blue rider]

And see it completely differently.
They have forgot to teach them manners.
They have tried to be their children's best mate instead of being their parents.
And even worse than that is grand parents that let little johnny get away with even more.

the scary part is these fuck ups are going to be running the country. you guys bleat on about JK but think what's coming.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

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[mashman]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

- See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/4499....1Kyc01Gt.dpuf

Can't be right surely? That was 2500 years ago. Surely kids have changed since then. Maybe it's that the adults haven't. Nope. Must be the kids.

[scissorhands]

Blaming the children is like a farmer blaming his sheep....

[Akzle]

Blaming the children is like a farmer blaming his sheep....

theyre out there. Plotting. Just look at them. Thoughtfully chewing. Waiting. Just waiting.
One day youll go out and
BAM.
Youll be shaved and dagged and put to pasture.

[blue rider]

theyre out there. Plotting. Just look at them. Thoughtfully chewing. Waiting. Just waiting.
One day youll go out and
BAM.
Youll be shaved and dagged and put to pasture.

can't bling akzle again...

[BoristheBiter]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
Socrates
Source: Attributed to SOCRATES by Plato, according to William L. Patty and Louise S. Johnson, Personality and Adjustment, p. 277 .This passage was very popular in the 1960s and its essence was used by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Gijsbert van Hall, following a street demonstration in 1966, as reported by The New York Times, April 3, 1966, p. 16.This use prompted Malcolm S. Forbes to write an editorial on youth.Forbes, April 15, 1966, p. 11. In that same issue, under the heading Side Lines, pp. 56, is a summary of the efforts of researchers and scholars to confirm the wording of Socrates, or Plato, but without success. Evidently, the quotation is spurious. · This quote is about uncategorised · Search on Google Books to find all references and sources for this quotation.

- See more at: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/4499....1Kyc01Gt.dpuf

Socrates left no writings of his own, thus our awareness of his teachings comes primarily from a few ancient authors who referred to him in their own works.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Socrates

But it still doesn't make it less untrue.