The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Scuba_Steve]

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for?

Opposition is an illusion, they're all working towards the same corrupt self-interest goals

[mashman]

True but I don't think you will ever see that under MMP, even though there is no reason why not I.E. a National/Labour coalition!

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for?

I don't think the system matters? Same people, same positions, same goals etc... only the voting system has changed... the bad shit may well prevent the good shit from getting done. Although as blue rider points out, I haven't seen any good shit happen in a long time, just deck chair shuffling.

True... but I do wonder if not toeing the party line is job suicide? Nahhhhh, we're here to be told what we have voted for and to STFU or vote in 3 years time once the damage is done.

[Oscar]

True but I don't think you will ever see that under MMP, even though there is no reason why not I.E. a National/Labour coalition!

There still needs to be an opposition to keep things healthy and honest but isn't that what the electorate is there for?

I think the time has passed for a Grand Coalition (which was talked about a few years ago).
There was a time when Labour and National were almost indistinguishable in the centre, but I think that’s passed. Say what you like about Shearer, but he has made Labour more distinct doctrinally (with some help from his Green pals).

[Oscar]

Opposition is an illusion, they're all working towards the same corrupt self-interest goals

Self interest in politics?
No
Surely not

Seriously, were you born yesterday?
Human nature is all about self interest.
You complaining about self interest is a self interested action on your behalf.
And as for corruption, that's all in the eye of the beholder.

[Banditbandit]

So Key was right then!

Naaa .. more than that turned up the anti-GCSB Bill rallies ...

[MisterD]

Naaa .. more than that turned up the anti-GCSB Bill rallies ...

I doubt any of them had accounts at Gold Coast Savings Bank either.

[oldrider]

I think the time has passed for a Grand Coalition (which was talked about a few years ago).
There was a time when Labour and National were almost indistinguishable in the centre, but I think that’s passed. Say what you like about Shearer, but he has made Labour more distinct doctrinally (with some help from his Green pals).

It wouldn't surprise me if that little fruit salad group doesn't turn out responsible for the Fontera contamination scare!
A little irresposible political sabotage on our current "clean green image" would be right up some of their supporters ally!

[Brian d marge]

Treasury statement of intent 2013 to 2017 page 13

The plan has already been decided , doesnt matter who is the mouth. All you can hope for is someone who gives a monkeys about the weakest members of society

It isnt Donkey

Stephen

oh and btw , hows those power prices , Yes folks privatisation leads to competition and lower prices. They told me so.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...rce-Commission

[oldrider]

Treasury statement of intent 2013 to 2017 page 13

The plan has already been decided , doesnt matter who is the mouth. All you can hope for is someone who gives a monkeys about the weakest members of society

It isnt Donkey

Stephen

Maybe true! In a fucked up world it's only natural that a little country like ours will struggle to keep up or be heard!

Little people from a little country with little idea about what's going on or what to do about it!

If we changed the leaders every day until everyone had had a go at being the leader there would still only be little change!

So there you have it, the people we have there now is about as good as it gets internationally.

Internally it isn't really much different and your kidding yourself if you think that any of them "really care" about the weakest members of our society!

The only consistent thing that I have noticed since the 1940's is that they appear to have got worse and have increased their numbers!

[puddytat]

Lest they forget.......

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130596883]I don't think the system matters? Same people, same positions, same goals etc... only the voting system has changed... the bad shit may well prevent the good shit from getting done. Although as blue rider points out, I haven't seen any good shit happen in a long time, just deck chair shuffling.

True... but I do wonder if not toeing the party line is job suicide? QUOTE]

As far as the politician goes - not toeing the line does go badly for them, eg John A Lee, or more recently Marilyn Waring

[mashman]

Lest they forget.......

Indeedy

[Brian d marge]

The idiots are at it again .....

2 forms of the spying bill

Meridian

an Aluminium smelter ( not sure whats going on with that )

anything else Ive missed ?????

Stephen

[Swoop]

that means the system is broken , doesn’t work

As an engineer , anytime someone starts circumventing the procedure , the procedure is wrong

an example ; Honda rappongi , design hq , the main door is fingerprint controlled , but the side door is always left open and is the door most often used .

This is common and will become a much larger issue in the future.

People fail to see that the more "complex" a procedure is, the less that it will be complied with.

Make a simple system and people will use it immediately. Government and local body bureaucracy are classic examples of creating procedures that essentially force individuals to disobey the rules due to them being so complex you need an Inuit guide, map, compass & GPS to work out where to even begin.

[Brian d marge]

This is common and will become a much larger issue in the future.

People fail to see that the more "complex" a procedure is, the less that it will be complied with.

Make a simple system and people will use it immediately. Government and local body bureaucracy are classic examples of creating procedures that essentially force individuals to disobey the rules due to them being so complex you need an Inuit guide, map, compass & GPS to work out where to even begin.

Inuit guide, fk thats what I should have been doing

A toothless fish eating wise man , born of a virgin on eve of saint swithins day

onto it !

Stephen