The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[Ocean1]

See .. you're not too far off the mark really - but you are still wrong. Anarchism was once also called Libertarian Communism ... but Capitalist and Communist theorists, fearing the power of Anarchy, ganged up on the concept and declared it the same as chaos - a politrical process with no system adn no controls ... a chaotic system ... they were wong ... but their definition and ideas about anarchy have become what you call "mainstream" .. that is simply part of the hegemonic processes of the dominant elites ... the dominant ideas of any society are the ideas of the dominant class (again, pure Marx)

So when you claim "freedom of thought" you have actually bought into the ruling elites definitions ... and are therefore their captive and their tool ... and you know what that is called don't you ...

By mainstream I mean uncorrupted by subsequent political manipulation, I mean the classic definition, as wrought by the original practitioners.

So: anarchy (n.) 1530s, from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

So, literally "Leaderless". If you hear someone call it Libertarian Communism you can tell THEM they're the victims of the hegemonic processes of the dominant elites, because the original definition's got fuck all to do with communism or libertarianism.

Also: http://www.theihs.org/what-libertarian

Again, fuck all association with either left or right other than through those later elements which have found it expedient to cherry pick to suit their own dogma.

So thanks for the lesson, but I've always declined to pay much attention to old, poorly spun hash from the likes of Marx, et al.

Well, as I was not being a teacher, and as I gave you a very brief response .. you might be right ... any brief summary/precis is goinmg to have flaws . but they will disapear once the fuiller explanation is given.

What I suspect you really mean is that you disagree with me - which I can accept, but that is not the same as have flaws .. . disagreement is based on a much more fundamental difference in worldview and expectations ... and not necessarily on logical argument ... the acceptance of the overriding power of logic, or its non-acceptnace, is part of the worldview ... And then within that worldview the cogency of the base assumptions on which the argument rests.

Your interpretations are so far bent by your wishes as to be factually in error.

Most people's are.

But most people don't teach their own slightly mangled interpretations of the meaning of lif.

[mashman]

And mine would mean people working.

Mine too... only smarter and less need to work as many hours. Fancy a 20/30 hrs week anyone?

[mashman]

By mainstream........

Baaaaa baaaaaa

Or you have bought into theirs?

I think you are so wrong to bring you back to some form of normality would entail far more time and experience than I am willing to spend on you.

And really you do make me laugh.

Black sheep

[Ocean1]

Fancy a 20/30 hrs week anyone?

Most of 'em get paid 40 hrs for about 10 hrs work, come back when you can beat that.

[Usarka]

So, expensive MMP referendum recommendations will be ignored. Cynics would suggest it's because of ACT being below the coat-tail threshold.

Is it too much to ask that politicians of either side do what's best for the country rather than what's best for themselves?

[mashman]

Most of 'em get paid 40 hrs for about 10 hrs work, come back when you can beat that.

a lack of work is the employers fault... and in regards to beating 10 hrs in a way that doesn't denigrate the effort of those who make business function: a large chunk, potentially even half, of the population won't be required to work at all Beaten!

[Ocean1]

a large chunk, potentially even half, of the population won't be required to work at all

I KNEW it, more dole bludgers! Away wi' ye!

[mashman]

So, expensive MMP referendum recommendations will be ignored. Cynics would suggest it's because of ACT being below the coat-tail threshold.

Is it too much to ask that politicians of either side do what's best for the country rather than what's best for themselves?

put the fuckin drugs down man. Too much to ask indeed. You should just STFU and do as you're told, you get to vote. Here's a razor blade... now get back in your corner and get back to chewing it. It's a job, not a position where you can actually achieve anything.

[mashman]

I KNEW it, more dole bludgers! Away wi' ye!

Dole bludgers? the dole won't exist.

[BoristheBiter]

Mine too... only smarter and less need to work as many hours. Fancy a 20/30 hrs week anyone?

Yep, but as you have stated in the past that if you don't want you work you shouldn't have to is not what i was thinking.

No work, no money (or any such handout).
It could work now. There are so many things TBTP don't do due to high costs, lots of volunteer work so just shift the work force.

It's not hard to do but some many live on the hand out of others then cry if they are expected to do something for it.

[Banditbandit]

By mainstream I mean uncorrupted by subsequent political corruption, I mean the classic definition, as wrought by the original practitioners.

So: anarchy (n.) 1530s, from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), noun of state from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

So, literally "Leaderless". If you hear someone call it Libertarian Communism you can tell THEM they're the victims of the hegemonic processes of the dominant elites, because the original definition's got fuck all to do with communism or libertarianism.

Also: http://www.theihs.org/what-libertarian

Again, fuck all association with either left or right other than through those later elements which have found it expedient to cherry pick to suit their own dogma.

So thanks for the lesson, but I've always declined to pay much attention to old, poorly spun hash from the likes of Marx, et al.



Your interpretations are so far bent by your wishes as to be factually in error.

Most people's are.

But most people don't teach their own slightly mangled interpretations of the meaning of lif.

I don't teach the meaning of life (beyond 42 ...)

So .. do you prefer the original meaning of "democracy" (from demos) or the current one? of "politics" (from "Polis") or the current one?

The original meaning of "computer" or the current one?

How do you go about talking about that machine we use for long distance communication called a "telephone" .. that word is only around 100 years old ...

And don't assume that a consensus type of social organisation neccessitates a leader - it does not ... and would therefore remain within your concept of anarchy.

[BoristheBiter]

So, expensive MMP referendum recommendations will be ignored. Cynics would suggest it's because of ACT being below the coat-tail threshold.

Is it too much to ask that politicians of either side do what's best for the country rather than what's best for themselves?

Actually it would have been better for the Nat's if they dropped the threshold as then more of ACT could get in.

If you want someone to blame than blame the wankers that voted to keep MMP.
Look at the last poll (yes it's is just a poll) the Nats on one side, Labour/greens on the other, so leaving NZF (only small party over 5%) in the balance of power and if what they say holds true then they will go with Labour.

Now that shit has to stop, the country being run by three party's that most didn't vote for.

http://curiablog.wordpress.com/2013/...ly-april-2013/

[avgas]

Dole bludgers? the dole won't exist.

Where are you exporting Petone to?

[HenryDorsetCase]

By mainstream I mean ......

Why did the hipster salmon die?

It refused to swim in the mainstream

[mashman]

Yep, but as you have stated in the past that if you don't want you work you shouldn't have to is not what i was thinking.

No work, no money (or any such handout).
It could work now. There are so many things TBTP don't do due to high costs, lots of volunteer work so just shift the work force.

It's not hard to do but some many live on the hand out of others then cry if they are expected to do something for it.

That makes you out to be a supporter of the fascist regime... and I have the sneaky suspicion that your thinking was something entirely different and highly one way.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. There are already people who work for free and do so of their own volition. Money is not a requirement for production or for an economy.

That expectation is often unreasonable. In fact the whole ideal behind it is unreasonable. You get given money, therefore you should do something to repay us nice people for giving you money. Why not pay these people a decent living for a real job? Oh of course, coz the free market economy values effort at different rates and the total tax take doesn't currently pay the bills yadda yadda yadda. So disappointing and hardly what I would class as a logical way of doing things.