Curmudgeon
I don't have any religious beliefs either, but I think you'll find that freedom of religion is a basic civil right in this country.Originally Posted by Dave Lobster
As for confusing culture with religion, I'd like to see you separate them.
Did you have time off over Easter? Or did you refuse and keep working?
Curmudgeon
"Our" culture in 2013 is a combination of tangata whenua and tangata tiriti, unless you can find a portion of either society that has had no contact with the other since 1769.
Flyboy
So if there were a religion where gay men were allowed to marry, then we should, no, must tolerate and accept them?
I guess the law change can only be the right thing to do then.
Yeah, nah.
Anarchic Wild Child
No .. see .. you are right about the immigration thing .. but the people who arrived here first had a Pacific Island culture .. you know ... one from smaller and warmed islands further north .. the CULTURE which we today call Māori culture developed here ... it did not come from the other side of the world - it developed here, in this group of islands ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Curmudgeon
Missed the point by miles.So if there were a religion where gay men were allowed to marry, then we should, no, must tolerate and accept them?
I guess the law change can only be the right thing to do then.
Marriage is a part of our religious and cultural heritage.
As a very wise man just said, why would Gay people wish to indulge in marriage when it comes from a Church & Society that has reviled them all these years?
If gay men suddenly decided that they needed to cuddle and kiss publicly whilst performing a haka or powhiri, would we tolerate that?
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes - it is. Both Pākehā culture and Māori culture share comon elements ... Can we yet say it is a "New Zealand culture"??? I'm not sure .. and many of my radical friends would say "NO". (Both Māori radical and rightwing Pākehā) ...
But one day it wil be ... and I hope it combines the best of both cultures - not the worst of both cultures ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Curmudgeon
It is inevitable.
Within a very short time, a majority of the population will have some Maori ancestors.
"channellling the Pleideans"
In my experience, its the rednecks and fundys that spend a lot more time thinking about gay sex than the gay people I know do.
But whatever, I am pleased.
By the way, it could be justified for NO other reason than the economic benefits: tourism, the pink dollar, all that.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
I wouldnt mind having some moari descendents. There are some hot girls at my gym I could start with. It can be my end of the treaty settlement process. I'm, um, doing my bit. (A small bit, some might say, and please dont tell SWMBO)
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
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this is, of course, the worst of both worlds. You're welcome.
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
"channellling the Pleideans"
I'm going with dirty old gay old Gore.
What do I win?
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
troglodytam extraordinaire
Some don't want to as it would hurt there voting base (on both sides)
Curmudgeon
A weekend in Gore, where you will be the only participant in the Gore Rainbow Pride Festival.
Anarchic Wild Child
Eeerrrr ... YES !!!
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Curmudgeon
In your experience?
Do you spend a lot of time asking people if they think about gay sex?
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