What should be the national classes?

[Fast Eddie]

Side cars were very good this year I must admit!

HAGD in may.. get on one chop chop

[Billy]

Side cars were very good this year I must admit!

Sounds like Billy is on to it though so we are in good hands.

Maybe in your opnion Sloan,But I am equally aware there are plenty of others who think otherwise,You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what it is the small number of Joe public come too watch though and equally who it is the distributors are investing their money in.

[Kickaha]

That said why is it all the classes bar the main events have up until now had 3 races per round as opposed to 2 for Supers and 600s????.

Because that's (supposedly)what they agreed on sometime back, they get still get as much if not more track time than the other classes

Side cars were very good this year I must admit!

They should be even better next season
So you'll be at the HAGD then?

[lostinflyz]

Maybe in your opnion Sloan,But I am equally aware there are plenty of others who think otherwise,You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know what it is the small number of Joe public come too watch though and equally who it is the distributors are investing their money in.

again why do we care about spectators or distributors? what do they bring to the sport? a few superbikes or SS bikes sometimes......

As a business i get it, for a competition that has become about the competition and the prestige of being a national champion, not so much.

The money almost the entire grid pour into attending the event and trying to turn it into some sponsors/spectators dream could just as easily go back into our own pockets and make the sport easier on 98% of the grid.

[roogazza]

Now thats just not true,

Unfortunately 99% of those that have posted on this thread are either still living in the 60s,Haven't bothered to do any research at all and haven't noticed that some of their ideas have already been implemented in the past 12 months or are just plain too busy trying to promote their own interests they can't see the wood for the tree's.

The top level riders boycotting the Nationals...Seriously,How will that help??What are you gonna do when the distributors that do support the series pull out because theyre not getting the coverage required and all the top level 600s and Superbikes are gone from the grid?

Lets face it,The main event's at any meeting are Superbikes and 600s or F1 and F2,Everything else is realistically a support class or development for newer entrants,That said why is it all the classes bar the main events have up until now had 3 races per round as opposed to 2 for Supers and 600s????.

Realistically the only thing that will make any significant difference would be for one entity to run the NZSBK series,No promoter in their right mind would ever take it on in its current format,Try as I might,I have tried to get a club to take it over and run the whole series,But as there are only 2 clubs with the ability to do so and both turned me down,We are stuck with the status quo,Albeit with a different approach for 2014,Heres hoping there will be some improvement.

I guess you have the big chair Billy, can you give us an idea yet what you plan to do ? Your approach for 2014 ?
"Can" some classes or maybe amalgamate some to form one class ?
Like try to get at least 20 into each race (maybe that'd be too tough ?) say minimum15 then,absolute minimum ?

[jellywrestler]

One make series(not a fan)?

anyone out there remember the highly successful and popular Katana 550 series?????

[Kickaha]

say minimum15 then,absolute minimum ?

Going by recent numbers that's the Superbikes class gone then

[Billy]

I guess you have the big chair Billy, can you give us an idea yet what you plan to do ? Your approach for 2014 ?
"Can" some classes or maybe amalgamate some to form one class ?
Like try to get at least 20 into each race (maybe that'd be too tough ?) say minimum15 then,absolute minimum ?

Not quite yet,Still have a couple of people to talk to yet,Soon though,
Probably asking a bit much to expect minmum of 15,Although,We will be looking at which classes can be amalgamated safely,Of course if we were to lose the support of the distributors Supers would most likely be less than 8.Brilliant revival from the sidecar boys and girls this past season under the guidance of Tracey Bryan,I'm picking them to be one of the biggest classes at National level next season,Zero chance of them being dropped,Some of the others need to improve dramatically though

There are a number of proposed rulechanges in the system,A few of which are around safety including an entry level(for all) grading system,Hope to discuss the later at the AGM,We do have a fair idea what is required and have left it til then to get all the clubs onboard and a suitable system we can all agree on,But it needs to be implemented asap.

[suzuki21]

again why do we care about spectators or distributors? what do they bring to the sport? a few superbikes or SS bikes sometimes......

As a business i get it, for a competition that has become about the competition and the prestige of being a national champion, not so much.

The money almost the entire grid pour into attending the event and trying to turn it into some sponsors/spectators dream could just as easily go back into our own pockets and make the sport easier on 98% of the grid.

You live in a dream world if you think distributors do nothing for the sport.

[cmoore]

if you look at the overseas competitions (and History here) is was names that made people come to watch....big names, A Kiwi riding in WSBK or MotoGP, TT....People in the news, on radio, TV....How big was the crowd at the classics when Schwantz came to race...Run the classes you want, you won't get the "public" along until you have names on the track. And i don't mean someone with a website...At HD the majority of race fans are Marshalling..or running the event.....(45-50)....

[jellywrestler]

again why do we care about spectators or distributors? what do they bring to the sport? a few superbikes or SS bikes sometimes......

As a business i get it, for a competition that has become about the competition and the prestige of being a national champion, not so much.

The money almost the entire grid pour into attending the event and trying to turn it into some sponsors/spectators dream could just as easily go back into our own pockets and make the sport easier on 98% of the grid.

head in the sand stuff, how many race bikes are out there that are hand me downs from the dealer teams, take them away too and what ya got, SFA

[lostinflyz]

You live in a dream world if you think distributors do nothing for the sport.

never said they do nothing, nor don't help out some. My point was do they do enough to justify the amount of influence over the sport they have at the nats level.......

[Billy]

Hi Billy,

Can you enlighten the "different approach" or what improvements would you like to see, please feel free to PM or is it on MNZ site ?? Please I'm here to listen, understand and learn, i want to make a difference, my balls are already on the line with where I'm heading ha ha

Dean

PM sent,

Hope it helps with your Motard series

[Billy]

never said they do nothing, nor don't help out some. My point was do they do enough to justify the amount of influence over the sport they have at the nats level.......

What influence do they have at National level ???

Its obvious too me,Youve done very little,If any research and are just shooting from the hip,If all the distributors decided to pull all their support,The National series would probably not be worth running and there would probably be no Tri series (Now called the Suzuki series) either,Not to mention the bulk funding they invest in MNZ for all disciplines each year,That said,I have very little contact with them unless theres a suggestion of a class change from a member,In which case I let them know of our plans as a courtesy and to get their opinion.

Distributors that have a valued and important input to our sport include,NWA,W Whites,Suzuki NZ,Kawasaki NZ,Yamaha NZ,Race supplies,KSS,Triumph NZ,Blue Wing Honda,Darbi's,K Tech,Northern Accessories,Castrol and on and on it goes,If they all withdraw,We are screwed and that support filters all the way down to the development classes and ensures people like Merv Orford and the many small team owners can continue to help out the younger entrants.

[Fast Eddie]

Brilliant revival from the sidecar boys and girls this past season under the guidance of Tracey Bryan, I'm picking them to be one of the biggest classes at National level next season, Zero chance of them being dropped

amen!