Nestlé CEO Peter Brabeck: “Access to water should not be a public right.”

[avgas]

Nah, he is just a symptom. Over population is the problem. Unless you eliminate a few billion people, you're wasting your time even discussing the environment etc.

Usually I don't agree with you......but in this case I am halfway there.
I personally think we should stop the breeding rather than kill of what we have got already.

Too many people think the world is overpopulated........yet have 2+ kids. Unless they have some bizzare sex where it takes 3 people to tango I fail to see how they are concerned about the population scenario.
e.g. 2 born + 2 die = population same. 1 born + 2 die = population decrease. 3 born + 2 die = population increase.

May be we don't teach enough math at schools? Or may be people assume they are not part of a population problem because they are living in NZ?
But the sad fact of the matter is that until people have less than 2 kids, the population will go up. Statistically speaking.
Hell China had a 1 child policy and it still has population problems - so how they fuck are we going survive with our 2.3 children mantra?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Isn't it illegal to collect rain water somewhere in the world?

Oregon I think. But it might be bullshit: it was on the internet after all.

http://rt.com/usa/rain-water-harrington-oregon-439/

[imdying]

Usually I don't agree with you......but in this case I am halfway there.
I personally think we should stop the breeding rather than kill of what we have got already.

I can't argue with that, I don't see any forward WRT to killing off half the world that will be palatable in any measure. Unfortunately the majority (all?) of the world's economy rotates around 'growth'. Now that democracy has pushed us as far forward as it can, and capitalism rushes towards its logical conclusion, I assume that some sort of drawn out conflict will consume a proportion of the excess. That's also a bit distasteful, but only because it'll be opportunity wasted at a guess.

But yes, as you make the point, basic math reveals the problem... if the population of the world continues to double, at some point we will simply run out of room/food/water/whatever. Should we address that as a top priority and deal with it in a fair way? Nahhhhh, let us wait till something has to give, then cull most of the worlds population in some war in the name of jesus. Fuck yeah

Breeding like rabbits is your right don't ya know?

[Winston001]

I agree too that population growth is the worst problem facing the world. Environmental pollution, desertification, loss of clean water etc all stem from 7 billion humans scrabbling to make a life.

The trouble is - making babies is natural and all too easy. If you live in the Third World you will want as many children as can survive because each of them becomes a production unit for the family.

So how do we stop people having children? China's One Child policy has failed and if they can't do that in a command economy, what chance have the rest of us?

[Scuba_Steve]

I agree too that population growth is the worst problem facing the world. Environmental pollution, desertification, loss of clean water etc all stem from 7 billion humans scrabbling to make a life.

The trouble is - making babies is natural and all too easy. If you live in the Third World you will want as many children as can survive because each of them becomes a production unit for the family.

So how do we stop people having children? China's One Child policy has failed and if they can't do that in a command economy, what chance have the rest of us?

Capitalism is the worlds biggest problem, not population. The "need" to make profit at any cost is what's killing the world; Pollution, desertification, loss of clean water all stem from capitalism, the world is quite capable of sustaining population far far in excess of what's already here, it's capitalism that prevents it.

[Brian d marge]

Capitalism is the worlds biggest problem, not population. The "need" to make profit at any cost is what's killing the world; Pollution, desertification, loss of clean water all stem from capitalism, the world is quite capable of sustaining population far far in excess of what's already here, it's capitalism that prevents it.

I want to say yes , but ,,,,,,
capitalism is best bang for buck , or what the market requires sort of thing

there are lots of places here farming , fish ,( tuna ) lettuce are being produced inside buildings in Osaka year round

conflict of interest and greed is , I think is killing the world.

I agree with the statement about the "need " to make a profit , would add to that the word "excessive " as everything must profit , even the flowers in me garden

The trouble is , I cant find a viable replacement !

Stephen

[Akzle]

the conspiracormentary: "flow: for the love of water"

the "crown"/ government owns the water. fuck you plebian.

[Bassmatt]

I agree too that population growth is the worst problem facing the world. Environmental pollution, desertification, loss of clean water etc all stem from 7 billion humans scrabbling to make a life.

The trouble is - making babies is natural and all too easy. If you live in the Third World you will want as many children as can survive because each of them becomes a production unit for the family.

So how do we stop people having children? China's One Child policy has failed and if they can't do that in a command economy, what chance have the rest of us?

The global population is actually predicited to begin declining around 2050ish. Birth rates have fallen dramatically in almost all developing countries and almost all developed countries, including China, ( fertility rate 1.73, lower than Aus, NZ, USA) have birthrates well below replacement level.
"Moreover, the poor, highly fertile countries that once churned out immigrants by the boatload are now experiencing birthrate declines of their own. From 1960 to 2009, Mexico’s fertility rate tumbled from 7.3 live births per woman to 2.4, India’s dropped from six to 2.5, and Brazil’s fell from 6.15 to 1.9. Even in sub-Saharan Africa, where the average birthrate remains a relatively blistering 4.66, fertility is projected to fall below replacement level by the 2070s"
http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...exploding.html

It took 12 years for the worlds population to go from 5 to 6 billion, but it took 13 years for it to go from 6 to 7 billion. This is the first time in human history that the interval has increased.

[Akzle]

I can't argue with that, I don't see any forward WRT to killing off half the world that will be palatable in any measure. Unfortunately the majority (all?) of the world's economy rotates around 'growth'.


Nahhhhh, let us wait till something has to give, then cull most of the worlds population in some war in the name of jesus. Fuck yeah

Breeding like rabbits is your right don't ya know?

3) china had that discussion 30 years ago and introduced the one-kid thing. worked well, didn't it?

2) this is the silent war. it's a quiet weapon. (hint: "quiet weapons for silent wars") it's money, so people have already bought into their own demise. the irony is delicious. the war will not be with guns and bombs.

1) they're already working on it: concentrating population centres (urbanisation) and controlling feed (food) with centralisation/expansion/monopolisation of production/ farming and shit. and limited /easily stopped supply methodes (trucks, trains).

in teh oldentimes all us hicks were fairly self sufficient, if the trucks stopped coming the general store held enough to last the community about a month.
with all this new fanlged technology, we're on the cellphone around the world, it's on a plane on a truck and you've got it this week.
if something breaks down....

(hint, if you want to impose mass panic in a city, stop the trucks for 3 days - pandemonium, hilarious pandemonium!)

[mashman]

Usually I don't agree with you......but in this case I am halfway there.
I personally think we should stop the breeding rather than kill of what we have got already.

Too many people think the world is overpopulated........yet have 2+ kids. Unless they have some bizzare sex where it takes 3 people to tango I fail to see how they are concerned about the population scenario.
e.g. 2 born + 2 die = population same. 1 born + 2 die = population decrease. 3 born + 2 die = population increase.

May be we don't teach enough math at schools? Or may be people assume they are not part of a population problem because they are living in NZ?
But the sad fact of the matter is that until people have less than 2 kids, the population will go up. Statistically speaking.
Hell China had a 1 child policy and it still has population problems - so how they fuck are we going survive with our 2.3 children mantra?

Aye, it isn't something of concern until we realise that it's an issue. I'm more than happy for a DNA database to be kept and that we be limited to two kids. In ways I wish that had have been in place before I went and got myself sorted. Granted that has its own issues, but something reversable could mitigate that.

It needs to be taught at school... although that'll mean we're arming kids with information .

I want to say yes , but ,,,,,,
capitalism is best bang for buck , or what the market requires sort of thing

there are lots of places here farming , fish ,( tuna ) lettuce are being produced inside buildings in Osaka year round

conflict of interest and greed is , I think is killing the world.

I agree with the statement about the "need " to make a profit , would add to that the word "excessive " as everything must profit , even the flowers in me garden

The trouble is , I cant find a viable replacement !

Stephen

I'm a yes. Destroying the sources of food and water put pressure on population numbers. Yes we need to deal with the issue of there being too many of us, but the more immediate threat is the destruction in the name of profit imho.
Over population, nationalism and things that go boom v's country's that can't defend themselves isn't a mix I'd like to consider.

[FJRider]

(hint, if you want to impose mass panic in a city, stop the trucks for 3 days - pandemonium, hilarious pandemonium!)

It's easier than that ... just turn the main water supply off.

The Japanese army captured Singapore by doing just that.

[Brian d marge]

we need ;;;;



yeah baby

Stephen

[gwigs]

Something else Nestle are up to....

http://action.sumofus.org/a/nestle-n...=1&sub=fwd&t=3

Trying to put patents on medicinal use of fennell....Bastards

[mashman]

Something else Nestle are up to....

http://action.sumofus.org/a/nestle-n...=1&sub=fwd&t=3

Trying to put patents on medicinal use of fennell....Bastards

I read that last night. Hardly surprising having seen the "man" in charge.

[blue rider]

fuck nestle,

support your local chocolate maker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9

fact is at the end of the day, these companies only can play their games because people just buy their stuff without thinking.
Most of the time, there is no need for what Nestle sells, it is mainly bottled water, sweets, unhealthy cerals and baby food formula....
A lot of their product range is not needed for daily life, and can be made from scratch at home, or at least be found locally. - Did I say support your local producers? Why yes, I did.