Was level 2 at ground-level prior to all levels being at ground-level or was it 2 levels above ground?Originally Posted by Laava
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Was level 2 at ground-level prior to all levels being at ground-level or was it 2 levels above ground?
Forum whore
According to this....
There were 99 passenger elevators in each tower, arranged in three vertical zones to move occupants in stages to skylobbies on the 44th and 78th floors. These were arranged as express (generally larger cars that moved at higher speeds) and local elevators in an innovative system first introduced in WTC 1 and WTC 2. There were 8 express elevators from the concourse to the 44th floor and 10 express elevators from the concourse to the 78th floor as well as 24 local elevators per zone, which served groups of floors in those zones. There were seven freight elevators, only one of which served all floors. All elevators had been upgraded to incorporate firefighter emergency operation per American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME) A17.1 and Local Law 5 (1973).http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1-1.pdf (PDF pg. 50)
....it would appear that there was only one shaft in each tower that went from the concourse all the way to the top.
Hardcore Biker
And plenty for a terrorist organisation too- I´m not sure that elevator shafts are supporting the building or the best place to plant explosives - if anything its a huge area to dissipate the explosion in. They are however a good way for fire to spread. I´m not in any doubt that planes hit the building and the building fell down. If you think it was Spielberg/Hollywood special effects your smoking some strong stuff. I don´t think they make movie projector screens big enough to fool the hundreds of live witnesses.
Who was really behind orchestrating the plane attacks can easily be questioned and debated and never really 100% proved.
I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..
Forum whore
I'm over this thread. The few moronic conspiracy theorists who continue to spout absolute crap on here are beyond reason and no facts that contradict their pet theories will ever be considered.Once again another KB thread overloaded by too many windmill-jousters...
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Forum whore
We'll take that as an admission of defeat.
Forum whore
Yup! You idiots are beyond help...
You don't get to be an old dog without learning a few tricks.
Shorai Powersports batteries are very trick!
Forum whore
If you're going to quote me at least make an effort to read what I've previously written.
I've already stated that I'm prepared to accept that planes hit the building.
However, I don't believe that it was the impact of the planes that caused the building to collapse in the manner that they did.
Forum whore
Don't ever think of moving into detective work.Once again another KB thread overloaded by too many windmill-jousters...
You'd suck at it.
Sir Cumference
Basic physics.
In much the same way that a tiny soft lead pellet which weighs around 1/30,000th the weight of a man, can punch a sizeable hole through said man, killing him quite effectively - and itself surviving largely intact.
Always assuming of course, that the millions of people supposedly shot to death over the years, aren't actually part of a huge conspiracy.
I mean, one has to suspend all belief that such a thing isn't physically possible.
But the "sheeple" still think that people are actually shot to death. Idiots...
Can I believe the magic of your size... (The Shirelles)
Hardcore Biker
Are you saying that you believe the video footage showing the nose of the aircraft coming out the other side of the building largely intact?
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Hardcore Biker
Is that why you haven't bothered to quote any facts Ed?I'm over this thread. The few moronic conspiracy theorists who continue to spout absolute crap on here are beyond reason and no facts that contradict their pet theories will ever be considered.
The 911 debate continues and at least two parts of it I can think of could be put to rest quite simply.
1. Show the video footage seized from the garage near the Pentagon which showed whatever hit the Pentagon. Not 6 frames which explain nothing.
2. Show the video footage from the airport of the alleged Hijackers getting on the planes.
Why do you suppose they won't do that?
Interesting that they found a part of one of the planes that allegedly hit the Twin towers. The first bit of either aircraft they have recovered unless I am mistaken.
Interesting that a new film of the plane crashing at Shankesville has just surfaced.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
Hardcore Biker
No suggestions from any believers on how much of the 200,000 tons of Super Strength Steel turned to dust nor why there would be a pool of molten steel underground three months after the collapse.
These questions interest me.
I can find no explanation for it apart from that Russian dude who reckons they put nuclear devices under them.
There are so many unanswered questions it sounds more than just fishy.
The way I see it,
If it looks like dog shit,
it smells like dog shit
and it tasted like dog shit ...
you'd better not step in it.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
In the riders seat
Which one of these was it?
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/FB...entagon_videos
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Bogeyman
It did?
There was?
Show me.
You can't prove anything to someone that's got a preconcieved notion of "the facts", not even those who had nothing to do with the events in question and who have no expertise in any of the disciplines required to believably comment. And there's no end to the questions from that quarter, whereas there's definitely a limit to the sane and responsible resources available to answer them, so I'm not amazed that some tiny percentage of them go unanswered.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Hardcore Biker
The 84/ 85 figure for videos came about as the result of a FOIA request for videos showing the Pentagon impact. FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire responded with the following point:
...I subsequently searched a series of FBI evidence databases, including the FBI's Electronic Case File system and the FBI's Investigative Case Management System, and determined that the FBI possessed eighty-five (85) videotapes that might be potentially responsive to plaintiff's FOIA request.
many of these videotapes do not have footage of the Pentagon at all.
many have footage of the WTC
some are security video tapes taken from a Kinko's in Florida
No wonder they have a hard time solving anything.
It was indeed very fortunate then that the passport of one of the hijackers conveniently fell to earth intact and was picked up which led the FBI to his address in upstate New York where they discovered all the details of the plot including a list of all 19 hijackers.
This apparently was how they were able to reveal their identities so quickly.
Atheism and Religion are but two sides of the same coin.
One prefers to use its head, while the other relies on tales.
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