ANZACs and war and stuff

[Virago]

...The eye-witnesses for these events have apparently all become deceased since 2001. - Terrible car accidents and the like.

We have entered the Twilight Zone.

Without a vampire in sight.

[Kickaha]

Heaps of eyewitness accounts?
As you state you are a newbie to the investigation and you already can find heaps of eyewitness accounts.
I feel so inadequate.

So you should, you might try a thing called google, took me about 5 seconds to find these, but hey without that video from the garage we'll never really know what happned
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html
http://911review.com/attack/pentagon/witnesses.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html
They're probably all dead by now in car crashes and shit

[Hinny]

Here's a new story.
Nuclear destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lec9giab90I

[Laava]

[Katman]

I'm over this thread. The few moronic conspiracy theorists who continue to spout absolute crap on here are beyond reason and no facts that contradict their pet theories will ever be considered.

Even Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, the Chairman and Vice-Chairman of the 911 Commission, are on record as saying they believe the 911 Commission was "set up to fail".

It appears even they struggle to have much faith in the integrity of the report.

[mashman]

"You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan." But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds!"

[Paul in NZ]

I'm not sure how this ended up being about 911 loonie fringe theories but i think Mark Twain summed it up best....

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

[Hinny]

So you should, you might try a thing called google, took me about 5 seconds to find these, but hey without that video from the garage we'll never really know what happned
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77w.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html
http://911review.com/attack/pentagon/witnesses.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...witnesses.html
They're probably all dead by now in car crashes and shit

Haha That first one is funny.

[Akzle]

Proof one. You disappoint me Akzle. I would have expected you at least to have looked at all the evidence for and against. I guess it's just easier to sit back and criticise without investigation. Govt. is too easy a target and you go along with the conspiracy theorists on that basis alone.

sorry to disapoint you, grand zionist cyclops Ed.
i have read a fair bit, for and against, unforunately the "there's no conspiracy" camp are sadly lacking in anything that i can believe...

The only things we can 100% know is that planes did crash into the twin towers, the twin towers did collapse.

If it was government planned did they calculate that those planes weren't enough to bring down the building and extra explosives were needed? Why not blame the terrorists for the bombs as well?

i'm not sure about the planes thing. the videos have been "debunked" - maybe they were missiles? why did the wings of the plane disappear from the frames immediately preceding impact?
i don't know the answers to that. i'm not putting it beyond the realms of possibility.
i still question how two airliners went drastically off course without being picked, painted and potentially shot down.
i question also how "terrorists" without CPL and who admittedly struggled to land a light aircraft, could pilot them so effectively to hit centremass of a fucking building many thousand feet below he flight path.

but yes, i agree, the towers came down.

And the vidoes of the planes hitting the towers..? The fact that recently they found another part of a plane jammed between two buildings? The fact that enough of the plane that hit the Pentagomn survived to identify it and the reports from paramedics and others actually there and involved, (with pictures), of the body parts, pieces of uniforms and other clothing, that prove it was a 757?

Oh, that's right, only the conspiracy theorists are telling the truth, eh?

yes. in an "explosion" that melts steel girders and levels a hundred story building, uniforms and passports survive to tell us the whole story.

Erm you do know that's a heavily populated area and hundreds if not thousands were watching outside when some of the planes hit? Either al queda or the government brought down those towers. Doing it with explosives or planes either way the towers were destroyed - are we all agreed on that?

yuh.

So when was the very first time that the footage of the first plane hitting the tower was broadcast on television Ed?

wasn't the second tower reported as down about five minutes before the "plane hit"?

Unless "smoking gun" papers are found, no one is going to know exactly, what went on - just that it was soooo convenient for Dubya and his backers........and a total disaster to the American population as a whole, since - whether they know it or not! Make that the world population, as the USA ramped up it's military bullying around the (brown people) world.....

they've been put on the hundred year "super secret" list. in a hundred years the americans wont care or will be so fucking stupid that they'll say (assuming the government did it) "well it was for the good of the world - we sure got those WMDs and are so much safer since we've quashed domestic terrorism"

Are you serious?

Are you suggesting that the terrorists had the time and the access to rig all three buildings for demolition?

jews dude. jews.
hilariously and ironically, the airport security from both planes, and the tower security, were he same jew-company.
jews don't like muslims, so if you can make people hate muslims more than jews, you get to keep selling them shit. and that's profitable, which, at the end of the day, if what it's about. money.

it's pretty un-PC to hate jews in the west, while muslim hate is encouraged by propoganda and ignorance (anyone tell me what "jihad" means?)

What you mean it because it didn't agree with what you've already decied it must be BS, that was only the first site I looked at there's plenty of others that debunk all the conspiracy and supposed demolition as well

yes, and the debunking has been debunked. as at the beginning of my post, IMO, the evidence for the "conspiracy theories" outweighs the "proof" against.

Once again another KB thread overloaded by too many windmill-jousters...

aha! scummy was in on it!
a jew and a pig... all hail a society that gives people like him guns...

In much the same way that a tiny soft lead pellet which weighs around 1/30,000th the weight of a man, can punch a sizeable hole through said man, killing him quite effectively - and itself surviving largely intact.

do the maths dude. bullets flying at <3000FPS have impact energy in excess of plane at low altitude cruising speed. human flesh is squishy, construction steel is not.
they're also (the ones that "go straight through") made of solid metal and designed to penetrate, whereas an airframe, is not.

and still no takers to answer the 5 billion dollar terrorist insurance a month prior eh...
or why the jews didn't turn up for work that day.

[Hinny]

I'm not sure how this ended up being about 911 loonie fringe theories but i think Mark Twain summed it up best....

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

Are the 911 loonie fringe theories as you call them are the stories that we are sold to go to war as allies (very good friends) of George Bush Snr's " New World Order" ?

People on here seem to blithely believe things that are outside the possibilities of existing knowledge.
Is this the stranger than fiction Truth that you allude to?

[Hinny]

and still no takers to answer the 5 billion dollar terrorist insurance a month prior eh...
or why the jews didn't turn up for work that day.

Still no takers for Michael Moore's One Million dollar reward challenge to show that anything in his movie Fahrenheit 911 was not true.

[Katman]

Still no takers for Michael Moore's One Million dollar reward challenge to show that anything in his movie Fahrenheit 911 was not true.

Well Ed's clearly got nothing.

[Banditbandit]

I've already stated that I'm prepared to accept that planes hit the building.

However, I don't believe that it was the impact of the planes that caused the building to collapse in the manner that they did.

Why not? As I understand it, the building's construction was not that great ... also affected by lack of maintenance ... so if the planes had hit a well constrcuted and well maintained building it would not have crashed and burnt like it did ... the building was poor and the impact of the planes directed caused the collapse .. once one floor collapsed the weight could not be supported by the floor below ... and so on, al the way to the ground ..

The bashing and rubbing and tumbling effect of al that concrete (remember it is a lot of concrete) with some steel and other stuff ..) inside the steel skeleton smashed up everything pretty well ..

Are you saying that you believe the video footage showing the nose of the aircraft coming out the other side of the building largely intact?

Yeah .. why not .. there are explanations that say it is possible .. it may well be unlikely .. but that does not mean it would not happen ... models of events are just that .. what actualy happens can be pretty wild ... the nose of the plane going through the building and out the other side appratrently largely intact is possible ... that's not hard to accept ..

Control. Those people are control freaks and believe information is power therefore you control the information. Sure there is a conspiracy but its not the bombing, it is rather the agencies arse covering and the stupidity of the President.

Yeah .. that's about right ... a cover-up conspiracy for arse-covering purposes .. not a conspiracy to destroy the buildings ... Al Qaeda still flew those planes into the buildings, killing people and causing gthem to fal down ..

[Banditbandit]

sorry to disapoint you, grand zionist cyclops Ed.
i have read a fair bit, for and against, unforunately the "there's no conspiracy" camp are sadly lacking in anything that i can believe...

i'm not sure about the planes thing. the videos have been "debunked" - maybe they were missiles? why did the wings of the plane disappear from the frames immediately preceding impact?
i don't know the answers to that. i'm not putting it beyond the realms of possibility.
i still question how two airliners went drastically off course without being picked, painted and potentially shot down.
i question also how "terrorists" without CPL and who admittedly struggled to land a light aircraft, could pilot them so effectively to hit centremass of a fucking building many thousand feet below he flight path.

but yes, i agree, the towers came down.

yes. in an "explosion" that melts steel girders and levels a hundred story building, uniforms and passports survive to tell us the whole story.

yuh.

wasn't the second tower reported as down about five minutes before the "plane hit"?

they've been put on the hundred year "super secret" list. in a hundred years the americans wont care or will be so fucking stupid that they'll say (assuming the government did it) "well it was for the good of the world - we sure got those WMDs and are so much safer since we've quashed domestic terrorism"

jews dude. jews.
hilariously and ironically, the airport security from both planes, and the tower security, were he same jew-company.
jews don't like muslims, so if you can make people hate muslims more than jews, you get to keep selling them shit. and that's profitable, which, at the end of the day, if what it's about. money.

it's pretty un-PC to hate jews in the west, while muslim hate is encouraged by propoganda and ignorance (anyone tell me what "jihad" means?)

yes, and the debunking has been debunked. as at the beginning of my post, IMO, the evidence for the "conspiracy theories" outweighs the "proof" against.

aha! scummy was in on it!
a jew and a pig... all hail a society that gives people like him guns...

do the maths dude. bullets flying at <3000FPS have impact energy in excess of plane at low altitude cruising speed. human flesh is squishy, construction steel is not.
they're also (the ones that "go straight through") made of solid metal and designed to penetrate, whereas an airframe, is not.

and still no takers to answer the 5 billion dollar terrorist insurance a month prior eh...
or why the jews didn't turn up for work that day.

Fuck ... on top of it all you're such a racist arsehole !!!

[Katman]

Why not? As I understand it, the building's construction was not that great ... also affected by lack of maintenance ... so if the planes had hit a well constrcuted and well maintained building it would not have crashed and burnt like it did ... the building was poor and the impact of the planes directed caused the collapse .. once one floor collapsed the weight could not be supported by the floor below ... and so on, al the way to the ground ..

But that's certainly not the case with Building 7.

If one suspects that Building 7 was rigged for demolition then one has to suspect that Buildings 1 & 2 were also similarly rigged.