ANZACs and war and stuff

[Drew]

Lots and lots of people find it hard to swallow Drew.

I would much rather live in a world, where the general populace will believe a series of very fuckin freaky but possible events, over a government killing thousands of it's own citizens on it's own soil. In order to start a war, where thousands more citizens get killed!


Lots of people find it hard to swallow, no doubt. More people don't. You can cry apathy from the masses if you like, but I bet as many or more of those not supporting the conspiracy theory, have given it thought and come to the same conclusion I have.

[Katman]

I would much rather live in a world, where the general populace will believe a series of very fuckin freaky but possible events, over a government killing thousands of it's own citizens on it's own soil. In order to start a war, where thousands more citizens get killed!

That's the attitude that many governments rely on.

[Drew]

It's all about keeping an open mind Drew.

I have. I read a lot about this a while ago. When someone posted up a video of what they said was a rocket being fired from the passenger aircraft, moments before impact on the tower.

Realistically, it's easier to argue as you choose. There is more material supporting what you say. The rest of us simply ignore it all these days, and write the people bringing all this 'evidence' to light, as nut jobs.

[Katman]

Lots of people find it hard to swallow, no doubt. More people don't. You can cry apathy from the masses if you like, but I bet as many or more of those not supporting the conspiracy theory, have given it thought and come to the same conclusion I have.

Actually Drew, I don't call it apathy. My theory is that, deep down, it's fear.

The idea that any government could commit something of this enormity upon their own people is a scary thought.

The full ramifications of that idea/thought are actually terrifying.

[Drew]

That's the attitude that many governments rely on.

I am happy to take your word as I have said, if you say you have personal knowledge or experience, with an murderous American government.

Otherwise, my way of thinking is the only option. In the pursuit of keeping whatever sanity I might still have like.

[Drew]

Actually Drew, I don't call it apathy. My theory is that, deep down, it's fear.

The idea that any government could commit something of this enormity upon their own people is a scary thought.

The full ramifications of that idea/thought are actually terrifying.

Totally. Take that to it's logical conclusion.

How many people in the whitehouse would have to be in on it? Heaps! That administration is no more, of all those people who were in on it, some would have by now broken down at the thought of what they had done. Nothing has gone public though.

There are hundreds of thousands of wanna be journalists running around trying to break a big story. Most with the best intentions and motives. It's too big to stay under wraps.

[Katman]

It's too big to stay under wraps.

Like I said Drew, I'm keeping an open mind.

[jonbuoy]

Nope - not enough in that post to explain why the buildings needed to actually fall down. The conspiracy theorists always seem to surmise that 911 was engineered to enable the US to invade Iraq for oil or to boost the profits of the defence industry. The building didn´t need to fall down for that. If there were explosives in the building would they not have been better put to use in co-ordinating bomb attacks on other heavily populated targets?

I don´t argue that 911 could have been planned by someone other than Osama - or that someone was pulling Osamas strings and we don´t know who that was - but I don´t buy the whole "planes were faked" "explosives in the buildings" theory.

Too many people needed to be involved for it all to be faked. Victims, eye witnesses can´t be faked - not in those quantities.

[Drew]

Like I said Drew, I'm keeping an open mind.

Not sure if you are implying that I am not.

I have questioned several things about this, but can't find anything solid enough, to start pointing fingers or suggest it was not as reported.

[Katman]

Nope - not enough in that post to explain why the buildings needed to actually fall down. The conspiracy theorists always seem to surmise that 911 was engineered to enable the US to invade Iraq for oil or to boost the profits of the defence industry. The building didn´t need to fall down for that. If there were explosives in the building would they not have been better put to use in co-ordinating bomb attacks on other heavily populated targets?

I don´t argue that 911 could have been planned by someone other than Osama - or that someone was pulling Osamas strings and we don´t know who that was - but I don´t buy the whole "planes were faked" "explosives in the buildings" theory.

Too many people needed to be involved for it all to be faked. Victims, eye witnesses can´t be faked - not in those quantities.

I certainly haven't put forward any 'faked' argument.

Think about it though, if Larry Silverstein offered up his white elephants as sacrificial lambs, I bet he'd be pissed if they stayed standing and ended up having to be repaired.

[Drew]

I certainly haven't put forward any 'faked' argument.

Think about it though, if Larry Silverstein offered up his white elephants as sacrificial lambs, I bet he'd be pissed if they stayed standing and ended up having to be repaired.

The damage of those impacts, two thirds of the way up the tower, would have all but wrecked the structure.

I would have been more cost effective to demolish them and rebuild.

[Katman]

The damage of those impacts, two thirds of the way up the tower, would have all but wrecked the structure.

I would have been more cost effective to demolish them and rebuild.

Maybe he didn't know how 'successful' the operation might be.

[Drew]

Maybe he didn't know how 'successful' the operation might be.

Lotsa 'maybes' bro.

[Katman]

Lotsa 'maybes' bro.

[jonbuoy]

I certainly haven't put forward any 'faked' argument.

Think about it though, if Larry Silverstein offered up his white elephants as sacrificial lambs, I bet he'd be pissed if they stayed standing and ended up having to be repaired.

Do you think the US government would ask for his OK before using the buildings in the attack or you think he came to them with that idea? How would you start that conversation to your CIA/Government buddy - can you imagine the repercussions of planning an attack on your own country? You better make sure the other guy shares your extremist views.