ANZACs and war and stuff

[Edbear]

How close is it?

The movie Black Robe was about a Jesuit priest who tamed a tribe of Canadian Indians. Then the neighbouring tribe came and wasted them, because they had become pacifists....

Democracy
Demons mocking like crazy
Money buys lobbyists and PR machines

Eventually a rolling snowball will grow so large it will crack and crumble under its own weight
Such is the [eventual] fate of all empires throughout history
New dragons emerge as old dragons whither in time
ie Usa then China now soon Africa
Wealth causes populations to eventually lose their edge
Eat the rich

Very close and it is what the world powers are working towards right now. They want a One World Government under the auspices of the UN. They recognise the fact that religion is the most divisive force on Earth and will eliminate organised religion, replacing it with adherence to the UN. They will no doubt plunder the resources of the major churches, too.

[Paul in NZ]

Very close and it is what the world powers are working towards right now. They want a One World Government under the auspices of the UN. They recognise the fact that religion is the most divisive force on Earth and will eliminate organised religion, replacing it with adherence to the UN. They will no doubt plunder the resources of the major churches, too.

What 'world powers' are these Ed? Most 'world powers' cant agree on what to call tuesday... As for the UN... Yup - I can really see China signing up for THAT.

Besides - no one actually cares if you don't believe in Santa Ed (well maybe Toyworlds a bit miffed) what they care about is 'religious' people getting their hands on civil government and a countries armed forces. That never works out well...

[Edbear]

What 'world powers' are these Ed? Most 'world powers' cant agree on what to call tuesday... As for the UN... Yup - I can really see China signing up for THAT.

Besides - no one actually cares if you don't believe in Santa Ed (well maybe Toyworlds a bit miffed) what they care about is 'religious' people getting their hands on civil government and a countries armed forces. That never works out well...

All I can suggest is do a bit of digging around and watch this space. The major powers do agree that something along these lines has to be achieved and they are seriously working on it. It won't come easy, though.

[Paul in NZ]

All I can suggest is do a bit of digging around and watch this space. The major powers do agree that something along these lines has to be achieved and they are seriously working on it. It won't come easy, though.

Oh FFS Ed.... Another stupid internet conspiracy theory? yes - thats it - Obama is sick of all the stress and wants to hand over control of the US Military to the UN security council.....

[Edbear]

A bit more to it than that, of course. The US and Britain are on record about it, I'll see if I can dig up their comments. Have to pop into town now, though.

[Akzle]

All forms of rulership, to be successful, must depend upon benevolence, wisdom and power, and so far, mankind has failed miserably to get that balance right.

on this at least we can agree. but we're not exempt from it as is.

i'm a believer in karma, in both the pop culture and the more vedic sense. the only true benevolence is 'god', whatever you call him/her/it. the source, cause, and destination of all life and death. he/she/it is benevolence, wisdom and power. i don't believe hu/man can achieve that.

people can't handle their own shit. people have lost 'god' and replaced it with capitalism/consumerism/ownership/money, from these things happiness cannot come. and so, people are more dejected, and distracted into looking for the answer without knowing the question. at this point, a group of people step in and tell you the answer is more capitalism/consumerism/ownership/money. and you lap it up, cos you'd really, really like to believe it.

when humans, as a race, find god again, there will be change, until then, you're all pissing in the wind.

[Banditbandit]

on this at least we can agree. but we're not exempt from it as is.

i'm a believer in karma, in both the pop culture and the more vedic sense. the only true benevolence is 'god', whatever you call him/her/it. the source, cause, and destination of all life and death. he/she/it is benevolence, wisdom and power. i don't believe hu/man can achieve that.

people can't handle their own shit. people have lost 'god' and replaced it with capitalism/consumerism/ownership/money, from these things happiness cannot come. and so, people are more dejected, and distracted into looking for the answer without knowing the question. at this point, a group of people step in and tell you the answer is more capitalism/consumerism/ownership/money. and you lap it up, cos you'd really, really like to believe it.

when humans, as a race, find god again, there will be change, until then, you're all pissing in the wind.

Bwhahahahaha ... why look for another imaginery friend in the sky ??? Gods are only the creation of our own imaginations ...

[Oscar]

All I can suggest is do a bit of digging around and watch this space. The major powers do agree that something along these lines has to be achieved and they are seriously working on it. It won't come easy, though.

Digging around?

On the web?

You'll find something to support your theory.

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when the major powers try and suppress Islam, though...

[Akzle]

Bwhahahahaha ... why look for another imaginery friend in the sky ??? Gods are only the creation of our own imaginations ...

i don't believe in 'god' in that sense, and i did make it fairly inclusive, i'm more of a gaia, papatuanuku kind of guy.

you say gods are the creation of our imagination? what created our imagination?

[oldrider]

Gods are only the creation of our own imaginations ...

Isn't almost everything?

[Maki]

ANZAC and war seems to be the stuff of confusion. My radio told me that men when to Gallipoli to fight for their country. It also told me the Turkish soldiers there were fighting for their country. Makes me wonder what country who was fighting for and why...

My radio also told me that they were fighting for the right to have shops open at certain hours... Really???

I heard on the radio that we should respect our returned servicemen. I also heard that some of them were exposed to debilitating chemicals that brought disease to them and their offspring and they are not being adequately compensated for the damage. Is that respect?

I heard that WWII was a result of WWI.

I heard that WWI was a pointless mud-fight and soldiers were once close to the point of just putting down their guns, going home and telling the politicians to go jump in a lake. I wish they had.

My radio keeps telling me that we should learn from the lessons of the past. For some reason they seem to be afraid to enunciate exactly what those lessons are. I wonder why... Perhaps the idea that the sacrifices made by so many during WWI were in fact futile and led to the slaughter of WWII is hard to swallow.

Until the day comes that we actually understand and learn from the past we are doomed to repeat our mistakes.

[Edbear]

Digging around?

On the web?

You'll find something to support your theory.

I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when the major powers try and suppress Islam, though...

If the news is on the web, so be it. I'm not talking about a theory either, just that they have talked openly about it.

i don't believe in 'god' in that sense, and i did make it fairly inclusive, i'm more of a gaia, papatuanuku kind of guy.

you say gods are the creation of our imagination? what created our imagination?

Sorry, I'm greened out at the mo...

ANZAC and war seems to be the stuff of confusion. My radio told me that men when to Gallipoli to fight for their country. It also told me the Turkish soldiers there were fighting for their country. Makes me wonder what country who was fighting for and why...

My radio also told me that they were fighting for the right to have shops open at certain hours... Really???

I heard on the radio that we should respect our returned servicemen. I also heard that some of them were exposed to debilitating chemicals that brought disease to them and their offspring and they are not being adequately compensated for the damage. Is that respect?

I heard that WWII was a result of WWI.

I heard that WWI was a pointless mud-fight and soldiers were once close to the point of just putting down their guns, going home and telling the politicians to go jump in a lake. I wish they had.

My radio keeps telling me that we should learn from the lessons of the past. For some reason they seem to be afraid to enunciate exactly what those lessons are. I wonder why... Perhaps the idea that the sacrifices made by so many during WWI were in fact futile and led to the slaughter of WWII is hard to swallow.

Until the day comes that we actually understand and learn from the past we are doomed to repeat our mistakes.

Not a bad summing up actually.

[mashman]

Democracy cannot work because you cannot get everyone to agree. You must have an authority with the power to make things happen. Dictatorship, which covers tribal as well, doesn't work because power corrupts and despite good intentions at the start, it goes astray to the detriment of freedom and health.

All forms of rulership, to be successful, must depend upon benevolence, wisdom and power, and so far, mankind has failed miserably to get that balance right.

You're not quite there . Deomocracy would work fine if it were used for the right reasons. It isn't. And whilst we keep on truckin the way we are then it won't ever be used for the right reasons. It'll just eat away at the freedoms that we have left and plutocracy will sneak in through the back door, if it hasn't already. It's obvious to see and it's easy for TPTB to do coz all they have to do is give us a vote every 3/4 years and we'll keep on believing that we're in a democracy. A simple truth is that people don't care about the truth just so long as they're being catered for. Cull the freedoms yadda yadda divide and conquer yadda yadda tell you that it's for your own good, prosperity and safety yadda yadda and it's done. We'll never notice and there won't be the numbers to fight it as we'll all be wrong and good little citizens doing as we're told.

Bullshit to be quite frank. Rulership needs to be devolved to council/village level. Access to resources must be pooled, managed and apportioned based on need/want given the availability of resources. Mankind has failed because they have become selfish and intolerant. Again, nice and simple. In the real world, you can take any issue you like and tolerance will evaporate as soon as people believe that money is being used inefficiently. I am currently intolerant towards the govt, industry and business for that very reason, although it goes a damned sight deeper than that. Bene bashing for instance. They're lazy, unskilled, insert ignorant meme of choice because they cost the country money. Ya know, that infinite resource that people seem hell bent on protecting for their own selfish purposes... usually because they believe that they've earned it fairly and squarely where in reality they've done nothing of the kind, they've merely piggy backed on a market valuation of what they believe that they are worth. Yet the economic truth is that there aren't enough paid jobs for everyone, let alone there being enough well paid jobs for everyone to grow up well in a society that has the resources to provide everything, yet chooses not to on the grounds of a mechanism used to measure value. Any excuse that pushes another person to the bottom of the pile is born of selfishness and intolerance. The solution is very simple, but people are too intolerant and too selfish to adopt it, well, a few are, quite possibly less than the majority. Add a sprinkling of stupidity et voila, people become their own worst enemies and TPTB get to have their way.

I have a hard time believing that if our relatives, who fought and died for what we call freedom, could see today what they had defended that they would have signed up without thinking about it. In my eyes they died in vain. No disrespect meant to the fallen in the slightest, but in my eyes we're shitting all over their memory given how selfishly and intolerantly we live today.

[Edbear]

Selfishness, intolerance, greed, pride, avarice, prejudice, uncompromising independent thinking, all evident in mankind. You have such people trying to rule same. Utopia is man's dream but his own frailties prevent it ever being realised.

No matter what form of governance you think of it will fail due to it being administered by human beings. Doubt me? History proves it every time.

[scumdog]

You're not quite there . Deomocracy would work fine if it were used for the right reasons. It isn't. .

Yeah, too many greedy, selfish, magalomaniac leeching humans involved for true democracy to function.