Boston bombing

[mashman]

Ultimately, that's all that matters.. from this end.
You and Katman have absolutely no proof the bombing was anything but real. Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...you both have failed to convince anyone to the contrary.
Those of us that do not conform to your view on the matter, can only sit and ponder as to when you'll finally realise at how humiliating it is now looking.

Very true, it is all that matters. They bank on that being the only thing that matters.
Neither do you other than a story from a govt of suspicious character from my end. My opinion takes into account more things than just a photo, but don't let that stop you from getting your foot out of the door. It's not my job to convince anyone and that statement is a might tad ironic given your opener.
... not asking anyone to conform, I don't crave the same uniformity that you seem to... and when you finally realise how far away from the mark you are in regards to why I have the suspicions (not belief) over certain disasters, which I doubt you ever will as it seems to be beyond your grasp, but just in case you do make that radical leap and attain rational thought, you'll see how ridiculous pointing the finger and laughing at someone that you have decided is humiliating themselves actually is. Til then, please carry on from your position of authority, it gets me all tingly.

[jonbuoy]

Ultimately, that's all that matters.. from this end.
You and Katman have absolutely no proof the bombing was anything but real. Your opinion based on a few photos and is like that of the defence, rather than the prosecution at a trial...you both have failed to convince anyone to the contrary.
Those of us that do not conform to your view on the matter, can only sit and ponder as to when you'll finally realise at how humiliating it is now looking.

Some people seem to get off on arguing - bait the hook with a controversial subject, make derogatory remarks at the fish that bite - sit back with one hand down your pants and the other on the keyboard. In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk

[Maha]

In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk

Now there's a worthy thread.....
But please, no photos!!!!

[mashman]

Some people seem to get off on arguing - bait the hook with a controversial subject, make derogatory remarks at the fish that bite - sit back with one hand down your pants and the other on the keyboard. In effect we are helping Mashman and Katman jerk off - yuk

... I'm far from getting off on it, quite the opposite. TPTB thrive on your dismissal of those who would question, with valid reasons (I've yet to hear why the cops weren't surrounding the area given that a bomb threat had been made), the official story. Now if I may draw your attention to the word "question", you may start to understand why I am "arguing" .

[mashman]

Now there's a worthy thread.....
But please, no photos!!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[PrincessBandit]

It would be very nice if we could completely trust TPTB to give us full and correctly-informed information about what is happening, especially when it impacts significantly on our perception of safety in the big wide world. Sadly the cynical response has developed from a long history of cover-ups, misinformation and deliberate arse-covering tactics by those we elect to supposedly "take care of us" (nice namby-pamby term for early Friday morning).

Long gone are the days when the general public can rely trustingly on what they're fed by TPTB through the media; it's important that there are those who question, provoke and investigate. If nothing else it should encourage open minded thinking. Whether you agree with what you hear, after doing your own investigating, is entirely up to you.

Of course the popular NZ emotional and intellectual status is apathy, so we are our own worst enemies with our "meh, why should I care" mindset.


(I love gross generalisations; they're so annoying).

[Edbear]

It would be very nice if we could completely trust TPTB to give us full and correctly-informed information about what is happening, especially when it impacts significantly on our perception of safety in the big wide world. Sadly the cynical response has developed from a long history of cover-ups, misinformation and deliberate arse-covering tactics by those we elect to supposedly "take care of us" (nice namby-pamby term for early Friday morning).

Long gone are the days when the general public can rely trustingly on what they're fed by TPTB through the media; it's important that there are those who question, provoke and investigate. If nothing else it should encourage open minded thinking. Whether you agree with what you hear, after doing your own investigating, is entirely up to you.

Of course the popular NZ emotional and intellectual status is apathy, so we are our own worst enemies with our "meh, why should I care" mindset.


(I love gross generalisations; they're so annoying).

It is more a case of what the media feeds us than what TPTB do. Virtually every time the media reports something significant, or even insignificant, it is biased towards sensationlism and sound-bytes and bears little resemblamce to the truth. It takes sometimes days, weeks, or even months before the true story is known.

I am very skeptical of the media and always reserve judgment until the facts are revealed. Unfortunately, as with conspiracy theorists, too many are ready to believe the media with knee-jerk reactions where any criticism of TPTB are presented.

The facts are coming to light in this case, and so far we've been able to dispute the conspiracy theories and will continue to be able to do so.

As for not being there, how many cops would be needed to respond in advance to every bomb threat or suggestion? They are the meat in the sandwich and will never be able to please.

[Katman]

It is more a case of what the media feeds us than what TPTB do.

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

[Laava]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

[Edbear]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

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[Katman]

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

Certainly not from mainstream media.

[gwigs]

Where do you think all the conspiracy theories come from?

From people who ask questions and are not prepared to take what is told to them by TPTB
as absolute truth...People prepared to look a little deeper than what appears to be on the surface..

[oneofsix]

TPTB control mainstream media Ed.

True, but often not Governments. A good conspiracy theory should blame the obvious target of the government itself. It has to be the like of Northrop, tied in with Fox all being manipulated by some mystery group containing the likes of the Rockafellas or Morgans.

[oneofsix]

From people who ask questions and are not prepared to take what is told to them by TPTB
as absolute truth...People prepared to look a little deeper than what appears to be on the surface..

Asking questions of what is told by TPTB is one thing, conspiracy theories require a level of fiction writing imagination. No one should accept anything they are told without question, a three year old knows this hence the why phase, but a good conspiracy requires the ability to bend and or ignore information to provide an alternative answer. I reckon a lot of the conspiracy theories are created by TPTB to keep you from asking the right questions.

[Laava]

Certainly not from mainstream media.

So you didn,t get your outrageous photo theories ( remember, right at the start of this thread?) about actors and people pouring blood on the street ( totally unproven and in fact totally wrong) from the internet then. So where did you get this information?