How many points for a cyclist?

[oneofsix]

So you advicate a pointless tax that will cost more money than it makes?

Are you running to be an MP?

Are you saying vehicle registration is a pointless tax that costs more than it makes?

[GrayWolf]

I think you'll find that bit of road is Mulholland Drive, a piece of road where a lot bikers bin for no other reason than incompetence. Try and contain your laughter.

And this one.... All you need to do is substitute mulholland to Rimutaka's and there you have the same mentality of riding/driving a piece of road!

[nzspokes]

Are you saying vehicle registration is a pointless tax that costs more than it makes?

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

[oneofsix]

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

You have miscalculated the etc factor.

[FJRider]

For cyclists yes. Its calculated on road damage etc. Cost of damage that a bicycle makes is next to nothing. Hense the $4 per user. The papertrail would cost more than that.

Personally ... I would prefer to see an ACC levy attached to the purchase price .... along with GST. It would matter little who paid the fee (or who later owns it) .... As long as the fee was paid per item ....

Other high injury risk items (like off road motorcycles/sporting equipment) could be charged in a similar manner. The returns to the Government then would be huge ... with little initial outlay (in comparison to rego just bicycles) in set up costs.

[Maha]

Personally ... I would prefer to see an ACC levy attached to the purchase price .... along with GST. It would matter little who paid the fee (or who later owns it) .... As long as the fee was paid per item ....

Other high injury risk items (like off road motorcycles/sporting equipment) could be charged in a similar manner. The returns to the Government then would be huge ... with little initial outlay (in comparison to rego just bicycles) in set up costs.

That would work, a pushbike (in whatever form) should be registered to be on the road, every other mode of transport has to. Most cyclists using the road seem a tad arrogant when it comes to road etiquette.
As soon as the Government wake up and realise the nice little earner they are missing out on, the better.

[nzspokes]

That would work, a pushbike (in whatever form) should be registered to be on the road, every other mode of transport has to. Most cyclists using the road seem a tad arrogant when it comes to road etiquette.
As soon as the Government wake up and realise the nice little earner they are missing out on, the better.

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

[Maha]

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

3-6-12 months, like it is now for every other person who uses the road...
Where did you get a 10 year time frame from? Pay as you go
Be interesting also to know how many have thier bikes insured?

[FJRider]

Wouldnt work, how long would you keep the bike for?

Would you pay the first 10 years rego on your motorcycle when you bought it?

It doesn't matter how long you keep the bike for .... an set ACC levy paid on purchase from a dealer (new or second hand) is just money the Government never had.

It is not a Rego scheme (and don't compare the two)... it is an ACC "fund raiser" ... nothing more. It would apply to all vehicles not requiring Reg and WoF at the moment (where no ACC levy is currently being paid).

[BigAl]

What about hike up the car registration/acc/fuel tax to offset a reduction in bicycle prices.

Thereby getting inactive people out of cars and on to bikes, much better for them and for road congestion.

[Phantom Limb]

What about hike up the car registration/acc/fuel tax to offset a reduction in bicycle prices.

Thereby getting inactive people out of cars and on to bikes, much better for them and for road congestion.

If by 'Bicycle prices' you mean 'motorcycle prices' then fuckin aye!

If not....

[Brian d marge]

ahh user pays

back in my day Acc was nothing to worry about and everyone could get it and no one worried about paying it ( so this conversation , n/a)

ahh those were the days

we had it tough back then ya know

Stephen

[Mushu]

I think they should remove right of way from applying to bicycles, make it so they must give way to all other traffic, adults seem to get killed on push bikes more than kids, and it seems to me it's because kids don't know the rules so they just get our of the way of traffic where adults use their bikes like other vehicles and when they aren't seen they get hit also ban them from twisty roads they just seem like rolling hazards in places like Summit Rd, Dyres Pass, etc.

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[Phantom Limb]

I think they should remove right of way from applying to bicycles, make it so they must give way to all other traffic, adults seem to get killed on push bikes more than kids, and it seems to me it's because kids don't know the rules so they just get our of the way of traffic where adults use their bikes like other vehicles and when they aren't seen they get hit also ban them from twisty roads they just seem like rolling hazards in places like Summit Rd, Dyres Pass, etc.

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Yeah, I like it when a cyclist starts going on about 'taking the lane'. Its a clause in the road code stating that a cyclist may 'take the lane' if it is deemed that there is no room for a following vehicle to overtake, eg: opposite double yellow lines, through traffic circles, narrow bridges. It's their right to do so because it says so in the fantastical book of road knowledge.

Great.

So on the twisty as all hell roads that we ride, usually double yellows the whole way. Coming round a blind bend there is a righteous cyclist in the centre of the lane doing 20KPh because he's decided that 'taking the lane' is his right. Oh look, you're now nipples to sphincter up a lycra clad arse because some chucklefuck on a 21speed clothes horse was excercising his road code given rights.

Clever, very clever.

[FJRider]

It's their right to do so because it says so in the fantastical book of road knowledge.

You (and they) forget what is written in other parts of that "Fasntastical Book Of Knowledge" ... the bit about not impeding the flow of traffic comes to mind.

But having said that ... quite a few motorcyclists pick and choose which rules they want obeyed. (if it suits them at the time)

And ... which rules to obey themselves ... if it suits.