VJ Day (Victory over Japan)

[scumdog]

I think its now well in excess of 30,000 people per year dieing gun-related deaths. Even taking out the suicides etc thats still a hell of alot.

Hmm, and I hope the smoking related deaths are taken note of too - they're just as preventable.

[Oscar]

Hmm. Dont think any of that is actually true. Can you post links that justify this?

Scoop

From the Auditor-Generals report:

Examples of risks with implications for achieving LAV project targets include the shortfall in funding for LAV spare parts (discussed in more detail in Part 4 of this report), and the risk that there would be insufficient personnel to fill future LAV-related vacancies (see paragraph 2.31 on page 24).26

The report found that the governance structure over the LAV project was not appropriate for a project of its size and complexity, as the governance covered only the capability development and acquisition parts of the project.

The stuff about the insufficiencies of the LAV armour is well known and you may have seen pictures of US troops hanging mattresses on these in Iraq and Afganistan to "pre-detonate" rockets.

This is the official answer:

[pete376403]

.i believe that one of the first things that Adolph Hitler did was to outlaw guns.. wasnt that great for the people?..
heres an idea.. grab an ANZ flight to any small town in America..stand on the steps to city hall and start spouting that shit.. and while you are at it.. lets repeal the first amendment ( free speech) and freedom of the press too..thats the great thing about America.. the government cant just "repeal an Amendment"..the US Constitution is not a malleable document.. it is , for th most part, set in stone

1./ Hitler quote is widely accepted to be fake -attributed more to the NRA than the NSP
2./ PATRIOT act can be used a curtail free speech, freedom of the press and just about anything else you like, in the name of "The War on Tarrism"
3/ THe Supreme Court makes regular "adjustments" to the Constitutional rights and currently the Supreme Court is pretty well stacked with right wingers - more if Dubya gets Roberts in. So effectively, the government can and does alter the Constitution.

[oldrider]

So many men, so many opinions. Well founded, well expressed.

Freedom in action? Long may it continue.

Thank's again to the ones who suffered.

Thank you Kiwi Bikers. "Respect". John.

[SARGE]

I think its now well in excess of 30,000 people per year dieing gun-related deaths. Even taking out the suicides etc thats still a hell of alot.

maybe you would feel better if they were shoved out of windows or hit with clubs?
face it man,. the human race is a predatory race.. if it needs to die.. we will find a way to kill it, be it with guns, knives , bombs, sticks, cars or reality TV programs


how many murders per capita happened in NZ last year?.. how many were done with guns?

[SARGE]

2./ PATRIOT act can be used a curtail free speech, freedom of the press and just about anything else you like, in the name of "The War on Tarrism"

i AM an American patriot..i DO NOT agree with the Patriot act.. the US i grew up in does not exist anymore ( not since the late 70's)

[Hitcher]

maybe you would feel better if they were shoved out of windows or hit with clubs?
face it man,. the human race is a predatory race.. if it needs to die.. we will find a way to kill it, be it with guns, knives , bombs, sticks, cars or reality TV programs


how many murders per capita happened in NZ last year?.. how many were done with guns?

Really good piss take, Sarge!

[Oscar]

Shall we ban concrete blocks?
Apparently 8kgs of concrete makes a good murder weapon...

[SARGE]

Really good piss take, Sarge!

not really a pisstake Hitch.. i really wanted to know so i went to the NZ Govt's statistics page.. got a population of just over 4 million in 2004.. there were 94 homicide offences and 48 murders.

not bad for a country that doesnt allow an armed populace..

[Hitcher]

Shall we ban concrete blocks?
Apparently 8kg of concrete makes a good murder weapon...

And the cops agree with you. They've upgraded the status of this from manslaughter to murder after some eye-witness accounts received this morning.

[Hitcher]

not really a pisstake Hitch.. i really wanted to know so i went to the NZ Govt's statistics page.. got a populatiomn of just over 4 million in 2004.. there were 94 homicide offences and 48 murders.

not bad for a country that doesnt allow an armed populace..

I guess I could argue that it would be higher if there were more guns? But that would be unproveable. Unlike the US of A we don't have a Singlets Act, so therefore don't have a right to bare arms...

[SARGE]

Unlike the US of A we don't have a Singlets Act, so therefore don't have a right to bare arms...

hey wait a minute.. i saw Once Were Warriors ... they all had Bare Arms..

[Biff]

Old timer - Good post. let's hope that we 'younger' (ish) generation neve forget the suffering endured during both world wars - or any wars for that matter.

Serge - Good point re' militia. NZ should do as Switzerland does IMO, have a well rehearsed and maintained civil defence force, capable of springing into action very quickly in order to protect the country from invasion. Not that we'd have a budget for it of course.


Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Food for thought.

So you may believe that by dropping the two atomic bombs on Japan, killing around a quater of a million people so far really helped to end the war early and honestly saved lives?

Japan has recently released archives that show that they were thinking of signing a peace treaty a couple of weeks before the bombs were dropped because Stalin had decided to enter the war. They were apparently in the process of arranging a series of meetings with the UK and Russia in order to discuss peace treaty.

So maybe all those innocent people died for no real reason, and continue to do so to this very day..........?

[Lou Girardin]

not really a pisstake Hitch.. i really wanted to know so i went to the NZ Govt's statistics page.. got a population of just over 4 million in 2004.. there were 94 homicide offences and 48 murders.

not bad for a country that doesnt allow an armed populace..

We have a long way to go to catch up.
Besides the issue in the US isn't just gun ownership. Switzerland requires all current army or territorial equivalent members to keep personal weapons at home, Canada has gun ownership on a par with the US, yet neither comes close to the rate of gun related deaths in the US.
There's something wrong in the mentality of people who reach for a gun first to solve problems.
Maybe it's to do with the myth of the wild west.

[TwoSeven]

Scoop

Ok, so you posted a document that was written before the LAVs were actually purchased and before the army was restructured to cope with them.

If you read the latest NZ doctrine, you'll find that the staffing issue has pretty much been sorted (as much as recruiting requires).

Also, the Stryker is a slightly different vehicle than the LAV III (its a later model), and the anti-armour mod was a standard fix applied to all such vehicles (check out the anti-rpg kit for the humvee and M1).

Remember that NZ is using the LAV as a transport role, whereas the US is using it in a combat facing role. Slightly differing scenarios, but showing how adaptable the unit is.

I doubt mattresses were fixed to prevent RPGs. I suspect anyone making such a quote was either joking, or has never seen any of the RPG varients in action.