How not to fly a plane

[Usarka]

I have a PPL, CPL, MEIR; and all ATPL theory subjects completed. ATPL by the way stands for Air Transport Pilots Licence. So I guess I'm a little qualified to make comment. Only a little though.

Yourself?

PPL so kind of surprised that you think rate of climb wasn't a factor based solely on a frontal video. Especially when it's a USA plane taking off from a military base in Afganistan.

The steeper the climb the more likely that load will move, and the less likely you are to recover. But I'm sure you know that....

[Jantar]

It doesn't require the load to move if it is loaded with the CoG too far aft to begin with. I also thought as soon as I saw that vid that it was loaded incorrectly. Once that nose starts to come up the center of lift on the wing moves forward and steepens the climb while reducing speed.

Oh, CPL and ATPL shows considerably more knowledge than PPL.

[Usarka]

It doesn't require the load to move if it is loaded with the CoG too far aft to begin with. I also thought as soon as I saw that vid that it was loaded incorrectly. Once that nose starts to come up the center of lift on the wing moves forward and steepens the climb while reducing speed.

Oh, CPL and ATPL shows considerably more knowledge than PPL.

Not really. I know more than a few spotty 22 year old CPL & ATPL's (and those who failed to use their quals to get a real job) who couldn't fart their way out of a rubbish sack. Name which airline you fly with and I'll apologise and treat your ATPL with some respect (and hope like fuck it's not malaysian airlines that I'm flying with next week).

It seems I also know a number of experts who can diagnose an air crash from a military base in a hostile foreign country from amateur home video footage. You cunts are so awesome you should work for the CAA.

[Jantar]

... Name which airline you fly with and I'll apologise and treat your ATPL with some respect (and hope like fuck it's not malaysian airlines that I'm flying with next week).......

You have misunderstood. I did not claim to have CPL or ATPL, but I was endorsing huff3r's comment after you asked him for his quals. However I have been flying for 42 years, the same length of time I've been motorcycling and, as our clubs CFI, I have been involved in investigating a couple of incidents where incorrect loading was a factor.

I also witnessed first hand a glider taking off on the winch with too much aft balast, and the results were almost exactly the same as that video. Fortunately without any fatality.

[huff3r]

PPL so kind of surprised that you think rate of climb wasn't a factor based solely on a frontal video. Especially when it's a USA plane taking off from a military base in Afganistan.

The steeper the climb the more likely that load will move, and the less likely you are to recover. But I'm sure you know that....

No doubt. But I don't see where you are getting the information that it was a high ROC? Regardless, if the load moves enough it doesn't matter what the ROC is, an aft CoG is an aft CoG and there is not really any recovery from that.

Normally the ROC a turbojet transport aircraft uses is directly related to it's weight, by their very nature turbojets are more efficient at altitude, so they will always climb quite steeply anyway, far steeper than the Hercs going in and out of Bagram daily, so they'd be a pretty poor target IMO. But hey, what do I know right?