Government hypocrisy

[oneofsix]

Which is possibly true, but that's a lot to do with how despised Clark was after her three terms...

yeah and look what they got in her place. She might have been considered as interfering in their "private lives" but now they got corrupt lying buggers trying to control their private lives.

[MisterD]

yeah and look what they got in her place. She might have been considered as interfering in their "private lives" but now they got corrupt lying buggers trying to control their private lives.

Could you give an example of how this government is trying to control your private life? I'm quite prepared, as a Libertarian-minded type, to concede that they've been unnecessarily nanny-ish in a few areas, like driving with cellphones but I don't feel they've curtailled my freedom in a way that the Electoral Finance Bill did.

[scissorhands]

those anti-homo, shawl wearing, bible bashing christian talebanners, had a lot to do with the helen-hate

[Hitcher]

Rise up people. And not just against this government, against any government.

Start by deciding your priorities and a framework to discuss these. Then ask the political parties to outline how they think those priorities should best be delivered. Then vote for the party that you think offers the best solutions to delivering what you, the community, has decided needs to be done.

If not, you'll just continue to get bullied by a bunch of people who are only interested in themselves. I think they're called "politicians". Remember too that under MMP many of them have not been voted in by electors -- all of the Green Party and NZ First's MPs, for instance.

Rise up. Have your say.

[Genestho]

Rise up people. And not just against this government, against any government.

Start by deciding your priorities and a framework to discuss these. Then ask the political parties to outline how they think those priorities should best be delivered. Then vote for the party that you think offers the best solutions to delivering what you, the community, has decided needs to be done.

If not, you'll just continue to get bullied by a bunch of people who are only interested in themselves. I think they're called "politicians". Remember too that under MMP many of them have not been voted in by electors -- all of the Green Party and NZ First's MPs, for instance.

Rise up. Have your say.

This +1. Get involved or keep on whinging, the choice is ours!!!!

[MisterD]

those anti-homo, shawl wearing, bible bashing christian talebanners, had a lot to do with the helen-hate

If you recall, the pamphlet that a group of businessmen, who happened to belong to the same church, produced was anti-Green. The nicely orchestrated outrage between media and lefty politicians carefully avoided that it was factually correct in every way.

Anyhoo, why is it that conservative Christian types involved in politics is bad, but it's ok for politicians to fawn all over Ratana and the votes they bring?

[oneofsix]

Could you give an example of how this government is trying to control your private life? I'm quite prepared, as a Libertarian-minded type, to concede that they've been unnecessarily nanny-ish in a few areas, like driving with cellphones but I don't feel they've curtailled my freedom in a way that the Electoral Finance Bill did.

the control and interfering may be the wrong way round but I would bet the nats interfering will end up more controlling. GCSB is one that will bite, control your having a say when you disagree.
As to the Electoral Finance bill I would like to know who is finance whom before I vote. Cellphones whilst driving should be banned and not just handhelds elther, mind on the driving not on the mistresses undies please.
Personal policy is to vote them out. One term only then all change please. The damage always starts in the second term and gets real bad by term 3.

[scissorhands]

This +1. Get involved or keep on whinging, the choice is ours!!!!

naaa.... I'm going to give up and live on Akzle's farm, lose the interweb, lose society, and gain a REAL life away from all these pricks

[scumdog]

naaa.... I'm going to give up and live on Akzle's farm, lose the interweb, lose society, and gain a REAL life away from all these pricks

NOW you're talkin'

[Banditbandit]

Could you give an example of how this government is trying to control your private life? I'm quite prepared, as a Libertarian-minded type, to concede that they've been unnecessarily nanny-ish in a few areas, like driving with cellphones but I don't feel they've curtailled my freedom in a way that the Electoral Finance Bill did.

Pray tell ... just how did the Electroral Finance Bill curtail your freedom??? It certainly never impacted on your freedom of speech.

It would seem to me that laws stoppping you using your cellphone while driving did more to remove a Freedom than that bill.

Isn't "being unnecessarily nanny-ish" curtailing your freedom? Or is that a level of curtailing you're prepared to accept?

[MisterD]

GCSB is one that will bite,

I just don't get the outrage over that...it's bad that GCSB might spy on NZ'ers, but ok if it's the Police? How does that work?

As to the Electoral Finance bill I would like to know who is finance whom before I vote.

The point about the EFB was that it dodn't just mandate that donations were declared, but it put limits on everyone except the bloody unions funding labour.

Cellphones whilst driving should be banned and not just handhelds elther, mind on the driving not on the mistresses undies please.

So what was wrong with doing someone, who crashed after using a cellphone, for Driving without due care? I still don't understand why more fucking laws were needed.

We should go back to MP's being part-timers, no bloody good comes from having a bunch of people employed full time to sit around and think about new laws to pass. Either that, or no new laws on the books until you've taken some off to make space.

[Banditbandit]

If you recall, the pamphlet that a group of businessmen, who happened to belong to the same church, produced was anti-Green. The nicely orchestrated outrage between media and lefty politicians carefully avoided that it was factually correct in every way.

Anyhoo, why is it that conservative Christian types involved in politics is bad, but it's ok for politicians to fawn all over Ratana and the votes they bring?

The issue with the pamphlet was not what it said - I think it probably was correct. And there is nothing wrong with Christian groups getting involved in politics - given the nature of their religion they would be hypocritical not to be involved .. but my recollection is that they did not do it openly and honestly.

The real issue was that it appeared that National were sidestepping the Electoral finance laws .. by getting someone else to PAY for attacks on the opposition National were getting more money spent on electioneering than they were allowed to spend ... that's a corrupt election practice ... John Key knew about the pamphlet and appeared to think it was a good idea ... a very bad look indeed if you are a politician ... shows a level of corruption he was prepared to accept .. and hasn't history shown just what that means ...

[oneofsix]

I just don't get the outrage over that...it's bad that GCSB might spy on NZ'ers, but ok if it's the Police? How does that work?

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Shows how head in the sand you are. Police have to get warrants, are answerable to the courts and get their cases tossed if they don't do it right and are limited to why and how. The GCSB is only answerable to ... umm lets see themselves, nominally the head corrupt politican and very political.

[Banditbandit]

I just don't get the outrage over that...it's bad that GCSB might spy on NZ'ers, but ok if it's the Police? How does that work?

Naaa .. see it's not about who does it - I don't really give a fuck who does it .. the point is who controls it.

There are controls and balances on the police .. they work within rules (until they too get caught not doing that) and have to justify everything in court - and sometimes get caught because they can't ... Tuhoe raids wouild be a good example ... their Terrorism charges failed ... There is a process to go through to get phone calls intercepted ... to get a search warrant .. gather e-mails and watch interdweb traffic ... a process to follow for the police to spy on people

The GCSB only needs the Prime Minister's approval ... (or his deputy) ... it's very very bad to put that level of power in the hands of a politician with no checks and balances ... OPen to abuse all the time ... I simply don't trust the fuckers .. ANY of the fuckers ... and the left can be much worse than the right at this ...

[Tigadee]

Only party that is attracting my attention at present is the new Conservative party..... worth looking at their site http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/

That's who I voted for because I couldn't bother with any of the others any more.