Government hypocrisy

[oneofsix]

I'm saying that law enforcement agencies should be able to spy on citizens if they get a warrant to do so, and that it's a bit silly to have an agency with all the surveillence bells and whistles unable to support them.

But the GCSB don't get warrants as they were set up to spy outside NZ's borders, not internally. As for the bells and whistles, then why not combine them with the SIS but make them follow the SIS rules internally? Could it be that a Govt that is outlawing protest and the challenging of legislation wants to be able to use the GCSB to "control" anybody it considers undesirable?

[Banditbandit]

But the GCSB don't get warrants as they were set up to spy outside NZ's borders, not internally. As for the bells and whistles, then why not combine them with the SIS but make them follow the SIS rules internally? Could it be that a Govt that is outlawing protest and the challenging of legislation wants to be able to use the GCSB to "control" anybody it considers undesirable?

Yeah .. I do get your popint .. adn yeah .. I do worry ..

But yes, if an agency like the police does get a warrant then they can do the job ... if they have the flash hi-tech toys ...

But if an agency like the GCSB can already do it why do we need to double up on expensive equipment and staff .. cheaper to get the GCSB to do the job FOR the police - not for themselves ...

I think you're splitting hairs a litle .. but then again ... I do worry ..

[jasonu]

naaa.... I'm going to give up and live on Akzle's farm, lose the interweb, lose society, and gain a REAL life away from all these pricks

Then you and him can ride share when you go to the dole office to collect your free cash...

[Akzle]

Doesn't Akzle have the interwebs?
That whole losing society thing's working well, isn't it!!?

nah bro. i'm here by telepathetics.

society involves mutual consent. i do not accept NZ society, by and large, nz society does not accept me.

[scissorhands]

Then you and him can ride share when you go to the dole office to collect your free cash...

I got tons of that shit, Akzle has too I think.
Dont need and dont want no free handout thanks

See I'm highly qualified and smart like he is
Used to work real hard when a young fella, coined 2k a week mid eighties....been retired since
could walk into a 100k job tomorrow no worries
A boss mate in oil and gas wants me in Singapore.....
May still end up manufacturing in China....

Got my own 250hectare farm anyhows
if Akzle turns out to be a raving looney
who gets drunk and stands firing off

I buy my own lunch
from my own money
[that my tenant gives me]
thanks

[Winston001]

Returning to the original point of HDC's thread, there is a dynamic tension between living in a secure society and giving away rights to absolute privacy.

If we desire a safe environment for our families then we must accept the existence of forces of law and order. Primarily this is the police but at the extreme, specialist agencies are necessary to protect us from aggressive foreign nations and guerrilla/terrorist activists. These are not phantoms, they exist in the real world and hurt real people.

The dynamic tension comes from drawing a line as to how far the police/SIS/GCSB etc can go to intrude into our lives. That is the $64,000 question and it should be asked every time the rules get changed.

Otherwise we succumb to a death by a thousand cuts - stealthy but final nevertheless.

[oldrider]

A govt that would do this, as well as the disgusting SkyCity deal is out of control. Couple that to a prime minister (and lackeys) who will stand in front of us and tell us fracking is safe....I for one despair. There is no viable alternative to these pricks.
*seriously thinking of deserting the sinking ship*

Well think about that ... where ever you go, there they are! ... It's like running away from earthquakes they are a "world" phenomenon!

MMP makes them responsible to each other, "not to the electorate" but the electorate doesn't really care anyway, they do as they are told!

[mashman]

Well think about that ... where ever you go, there they are! ... It's like running away from earthquakes they are a "world" phenomenon!

MMP makes them responsible to each other, "not to the electorate" but the electorate doesn't really care anyway, they do as they are told!

Cannot spread again yadda yadda. That's about as true as it gets.