Nzsbk 2014

[Mental Trousers]

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot,I thought that was obvious when I was dumb enough to take on the role of commissioner LMFAO!!!!

Yes, you are an idiot for taking the job!!

Having said that, you've done a great job as the Commissioner and Road Racing will lose a valuable asset when you step down. I reckon you should be a truly exceptional idiot and stay in the job

[jellywrestler]

How long before no rounds in the SI ?

ouch, most of our national champions are from there or aussie.........

[Robert Taylor]

So here we go,

Kiwibiker meet facebook,On facebook when I released the 5 rounds plus 2 for Superbike and Supersport with the V8s,It wasn't enough and I was an idiot for not running enough rounds,

In the interim I try and work something out with Southland club and get an extra round,

Then "HELLO" on Kiwibiker I'm an idiot cause now theres to many rounds.

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot,I thought that was obvious when I was dumb enough to take on the role of commissioner LMFAO!!!!

Not saying that either party are wrong,Just highlighting the issues I have to face with every subject that comes up

Billy, as you well realise I did not call you or anyone an idiot, like many I think you're doing a great job, totally thankless task that it is.

I just struggle with understanding how when many or most racers that do Nationals spend many months afterwards clearing their debts how they think they can do more racing. Plus the assumption ( effectively ) that everything else falls automaticallly into place.

[codgyoleracer]

I think Jeremy everyone has to be careful how many rounds one wishes for. I know youve got a totally level mind so I know you wont put on a ''KB face'' !

So when we think about all of this overall how many support people are there per rider? By that I mean not only their immediate mechanics and helpers but also flag marshals, officials running the meeting, MNZ officiando, ambulance people, tyre changers, suspension technicians, industry representatives, etc etc. Do ALL of the people that tour around want to attend even more rounds, following 3 Tri Series rounds and 5 Nationals rounds? Can they afford to? Can they take even more time off work? Many are already at ''overload'' as the season end nears will think even more ''I could have a great low stress holiday rather than help Johny racer get his kicks on the track and get yelled at if something goes wrong''. That sounds cynical but so often is pretty close to the truth. Of course everyone is getting big bucks for giving up their free time......Its actually little wonder that you dont see too many longterm helpers as they soon suss out that there are lower stress ways of spending nice long summer days.

Even more pointedly what percentage of the riders themselves will be able to fund themselves ( or by benefactors ) even more money for tyres, fuel, meals and accomodation / incidentals? Will companies such as Suzuki NZ ( who have poured an enormous amount of loss making revenue into the sport over the years ) have the stomach to effectively fund more racing costs over extra rounds? Especially given that they have for next season retrenched back a lot and required that riders find a lot more of their own funding.

THE WHOLE POINT HERE IS THAT EVERYTHING DOESNT AUTOMATICALLY FOLLOW from the whims of riders and spectators. Many specatators of course will not attend every single round because its TOO COSTLY for them to do so ( I think that makes a point in itself ) My personal view is that when you factor in the Tri Series there is already too much racing and to hope for more is going to challenge something that is already on a knife edge of what is economically feasible and also of how it compromises a lot of peoples personal calendars.

I am one of those individuals that will be tossing up which series to do on a 600, (Tri or Nats) , each has their strengths - but demands on time are my personal issue.
Of course the lucky ones that are planning to both - well good on ya i say !

[Grumph]

I'd point out that we have had a defacto North Island and South Island champs - the tri series and the SI Cup.
i don't know if the SI cup has been run for the last couple of seasons - i don't stay up with the moderns now - but it was started to be a lead in to doing the Nats. It worked well too. Best bit was it covered everything, moderns, BEARS, Classics and Buckets.

Bring it back.

[SWERVE]

The SI cup was run bi-annually if I recall. It lost momentum the last couple of times.... the Teretonga round was in mid june-july (same weather as summer but even lower temps) The only ones who were in the running were those who dared the winter trip south. I remember in 2010 (I think) We and the Hoogies left -temps in ChCH and travelled thru snow and floods to have one of the best days at Teretonga ever. While rest of south Is was wet & windy. We were the only ones to travel.... we got 1 &2 in Pro Twin SI Cup that year.
That connects to the argument about number of rounds for me. You either a serious racer/team who goes racing proper. In which case you will find a way to do all the rounds that are important. Or you just have a hobby (in this case racing) in which case you moan because you cant afford to do ALL your other hobbies too. The only down side I see is that having the tri series & NZSBK only dilutes the numbers at each. As they both hold merit as a championship. I would like to see the HD/Manfield rounds of Tri series be the NZSBK rounds also.... poss even 3 day EVENT. But that's just a personal opinion...... and im sure someone will tell me why it is a bad idea or cant happen.
I like the idea of 600s/1000s with the V8s.... purely from a marketing/profile point of view. If they became a more high profile / professional classes because of it great!.......... but would make the jump from 250/650/superlight etc a bigger leap in terms of cost......... maybe more attractive to the older/richer riders than a youngster?....... but may also bring in bigger backers who would get in behind young talent. Pros & Cons for everything.

Whatever happens I/we will be at all rounds that the teams bikes are eligible for. Whether it be 4 or 10. Cos racing is more than a hobby in this camp.

[Kickaha]

The only thing that appears to be consistent here is that I am an idiot

I didn't feel there was any need to state the obvious

[Billy]

I didn't feel there was any need to state the obvious

Yerr,I just thought I'd get in before anybody else said it

[Billy]

The SI cup was run bi-annually if I recall. It lost momentum the last couple of times.... the Teretonga round was in mid june-july (same weather as summer but even lower temps) The only ones who were in the running were those who dared the winter trip south. I remember in 2010 (I think) We and the Hoogies left -temps in ChCH and travelled thru snow and floods to have one of the best days at Teretonga ever. While rest of south Is was wet & windy. We were the only ones to travel.... we got 1 &2 in Pro Twin SI Cup that year.
That connects to the argument about number of rounds for me. You either a serious racer/team who goes racing proper. In which case you will find a way to do all the rounds that are important. Or you just have a hobby (in this case racing) in which case you moan because you cant afford to do ALL your other hobbies too. The only down side I see is that having the tri series & NZSBK only dilutes the numbers at each. As they both hold merit as a championship. I would like to see the HD/Manfield rounds of Tri series be the NZSBK rounds also.... poss even 3 day EVENT. But that's just a personal opinion...... and im sure someone will tell me why it is a bad idea or cant happen.
I like the idea of 600s/1000s with the V8s.... purely from a marketing/profile point of view. If they became a more high profile / professional classes because of it great!.......... but would make the jump from 250/650/superlight etc a bigger leap in terms of cost......... maybe more attractive to the older/richer riders than a youngster?....... but may also bring in bigger backers who would get in behind young talent. Pros & Cons for everything.

Whatever happens I/we will be at all rounds that the teams bikes are eligible for. Whether it be 4 or 10. Cos racing is more than a hobby in this camp.

Tri series can not be part of the NZSBK series as they run different classes,IE F/F2 as opposed to Superbike and Supersport.

[SWERVE]

Tri series can not be part of the NZSBK series as they run different classes,IE F/F2 as opposed to Superbike and Supersport.

There...simple question...simple answer
But what if they ran the required classes (not talking street circuit in this)?

[Billy]

There...simple question...simple answer
But what if they ran the required classes (not talking street circuit in this)?

Don't think they want to as many with F1/2 machines want to do Boxing day,Plus the tie up with Suzuki as a naming rights sponsor makes it tricky,Not unsurmountable though

[racer40]

Hi Billy, I dont think you are an idiot, in fact i think you are doing a great job. I was just adding to some points, that someone else was commenting on.

[Billy]

Hi Billy, I dont think you are an idiot, in fact i think you are doing a great job. I was just adding to some points, that someone else was commenting on.

Hi Chris,

Yea I was just generalising really,Nobody did on Facebook either,But I was just trying to emphasis the conflicting needs and wants there are between competitors.

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Chris,

Yea I was just generalising really,Nobody did on Facebook either,But I was just trying to emphasis the conflicting needs and wants there are between competitors.

Billy my point was also in effect that its not only about the competitors. The competitors have to take stock of the support infrastructure behind everything, what it costs and that everything doesnt happen automatically.
Im still at odds about how many competitors would also be able to afford the extra costs and time away.

[Billy]

Billy my point was also in effect that its not only about the competitors. The competitors have to take stock of the support infrastructure behind everything, what it costs and that everything doesnt happen automatically.
Im still at odds about how many competitors would also be able to afford the extra costs and time away.

Yip,

I got that,The facts are the competitors are not even close to being on the same page with one another and the disappointing part is when they don't get what they personally want,Its somehow MNZs fault for trying to organise something in the middle ground with concessions for everybody.

End of the day,I have a meeting tomorrow with the organisers for NZV8s and I think from what I'm hearing,We will end up with a 5 round series at Ruapuna,Levels,HD,Taupo and Manfeild and people are just going to have to accept that thats how it is,Yes it's disappointing for some that Tertonga won't be on the calender,But I was put in the position of having to look elsewhere for reasons beyond my control and I am not going to take a backward step now.If people think 6 rounds are to many,Then it WILL be Teretonga that is left out as all the others are already in place.