helen clarks motorcade verdict

[Pixie]

Right on winja, it is a crock.

Whats this I hear about them getting up to speeds of 170km.

How can you (Helen) not know your in a speeding car when its doing 170km?

I know, she was researching the so called "buzz" that boy racers get whilst speeding!!

One cop said he saw her in the rear view mirror,looking ahead eagerly and smiling.(or more likely,with her head out of the window and her tongue flapping in the slipstream,drool blowing down the side of the car)

They mere fact that he saw that horror in the mirror at that speed was dangerous enough.

[idb]

I vas chust followink orders!

Wasn't that the favourite defence at the Nuremberg trials?

[idb]

Look...just bend over and take it like the rest of us.
We continually demand that the People In Authority apply their discretion.
Well...discretion has been applied here so there should be no cause to WINJ.

All right, if you want a conspiracy theory, it's another clever election gazump by the gummint.
National have pledged to get cops away from penalising law-abiding speeding innocent folks and back to real police work.
Labour have simply topped it by having the PM and the cops demonstrate the new freedoms we will get under their stewardship....we should all be happy........and vote Labour.

[Skyryder]

No Winja, you're far from an expert witness. What's your qualifications apart from riding fast?
The verdict was fair, especially in view of the fact that the person responsible wasn't in the dock.
But I'm rapidly going off TV3. They tried to average 128 km/h around Puke and equated that with averaging that speed on straight Canterbury roads.
Brain dead media beat-up bullshit!
Then there was the senior cop they interviewed, gutless P.O.S. Too scared for his job to say that this would be the end of law breaking for pollies convienience.

One of the basic premises of driving is what is known as Driver Responsibility. Passangers no matter what their station in life are not responsible for the speeds that they are driven at. This applies as much to all of us including Helen Clark.

I think what this has demonstrated to me at least is the cavalier attitude some police have to the public as well as the lack of guts to say no. The other thing that has pissed me off on this who paid for the defence? What's the bet you and I.

Skyryder


Skyryder

[Dafe]

I can't stand our "Government has no balls!" Aunty Helen is always first from the crimescene... Why doesn't the bitch front up for once and admit she was is the wrong. What sort of "Face of Leadership" is that??? Such Bullshit.
And how the fuck come is it that Labour has all these billboards out with photos of Aunty Helen that makes her look 30 years younger and quite attractive, like a cosmetic model etc? That must have taken one incredible photoshop package to achieve that! Take it upon face value, Helen Clark is a gutless prime minister who whimpers away everytime, she needs to stand up like a honourable PM would.

[spudchucka]

or more likely,with her head out of the window and her tongue flapping in the slipstream

Who knows about Helen but I'm pretty sure our Slipstream isn't that kind of girl!

[spudchucka]

The other thing that has pissed me off on this who paid for the defence? What's the bet you and I.

No. The defence would have been funded by the police association, which is funded by member contributions not by tax payer money.

[Lou Girardin]

BTW. Only 3 "got off". The others were convicted.
I'm no cop lover, but even the 3 convictions were wrong. Some people here don't have the vaguest idea of the result if any of those cops had said that they were going to travel at the speed limit. They could kiss their careers goodbye. I'd say that they all thought they'd be covered by their statutory defence against speeding charges.

[Pixie]

Wasn't that the favourite defence at the Nuremberg trials?

Yes, that is why it was written in a German accent

[TLDV8]

Is it any suprise the lower ranks and civilian were the scapegoats and wore the lot..the verdict was on from the first day of the trial.

[Pixie]

One of the basic premises of driving is what is known as Driver Responsibility. Passangers no matter what their station in life are not responsible for the speeds that they are driven at. This applies as much to all of us including Helen Clark.

I think what this has demonstrated to me at least is the cavalier attitude some police have to the public as well as the lack of guts to say no. The other thing that has pissed me off on this who paid for the defence? What's the bet you and I.

Skyryder


Skyryder

I somehow think that if clark wasn't there they would be having a beer in the local pub instead of speeding

[WINJA]

BTW. Only 3 "got off". The others were convicted.
I'm no cop lover, but even the 3 convictions were wrong. Some people here don't have the vaguest idea of the result if any of those cops had said that they were going to travel at the speed limit. They could kiss their careers goodbye. I'd say that they all thought they'd be covered by their statutory defence against speeding charges.

THE POLICE HAVE TO MAKE A STAND ON A FEW THINGS , I WONT SPEED WHEN ITS NOT LIFE OR DEATH , I WONT HAND OUT TICKETS FOR TRIVIAL THINGS, I WILL ATTEND BURGLERIES AND ASAULTS, THEY HAVE THE UNITY AND THE POWER TO DO THEIR JOB BETTER, I STOPPED TAKING EXCUSES FROM ANYONE THE DAY I STOOD UP TO MY BOSS AND SAID NO WAY TO AN UNREASONABLE DEMAND I PUT MY JOB ON THE LINE AND MY FUTURE INCOME , THINGS WERENT EASY FOR ME BUT I TOUGHED IT OUT , AND I HAD NOTHING LIKE THE POLICE ASSOCIATION TO BACK ME UP , FUCK THE PIGS WHAT A FLOCK OF USELESS SHEEP.
I FEEL SORRY FOR THE FEW GOOD COPS LIKE THAT SAMOAN ONE WHO BULLIED THAT YOUNG OFFENDER IN MANUKAU AND GOT PUT THRU THE RINGER

[laRIKin]

ITS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL PIG TO SAY "IM NOT SPEEDING UNLESS ITS AN EMERGENCY"
IF THE POLICE TRULY BELIVE IT IS DANGEROUS TO SPEED THEN THE REASON FOR THEM TO SPEED HAS TO OUT WEIGH THE DANGER TO THE PUBLIC , SPEEDING TO CATCHING AN AXE MURDERER YES , AMBO SPEEDING TO A SCENE HELL YES , FIRE MEN SPEEDING GREAT , LATE FOR RUGBY NO , PRINCE CHARLES
MOTORCADE FUCK NO. HOW CAN POLLYS SAY ITS OK TO DISH OUT TICKETS FOR 7 KMH OVER YET ITS OK FOR OTHER FUCKERS TO SPEED WITH IMPUNITY.
THOSE PIGS SHOULDA SPENT THE WEEKEND IN THE CELLS AND BE DEALT TO VERY SEVERLY CAUSE THEY SHOULDA KNOWN BETTER

That's is it in a nut shell.

What I think some people have forgotten is that it is not so much about the
speeding.

IF she was rushing back because of WWIII or another major world event.
That was very important for her to get back to Wellington.
We would not be having this discussion.
We properly discussing how she could have got to that much needed
meeting destination even quicker.

But is wasn't, in fact they were about half an hour to early for the the plane
and had to wait.
So they could have slowed down at the end as they were to early.
She as PM may have even able to asked for them to hold the flight and wait for her.
They could have booked a private plane to meet them.
They could have got the plane to meet them on the way up.
On one of the private air fields that Aero Clubs have, or a farmers one for
that, or even a closed road used a field a helicopter etc.
There was more than one option.
And if I remember correctly there was a second flight from CH.CH that was
after that one, that still would have got her to Wellington, maybe a bit late.

And they may have then sped in Wellington to get to the game and drove
on the wrong side of the road.
Because of a security risk (WTF).

And top it off she signed her own note to say she is to important to go to
court.

Talk about a power trip.

Rant over and I feel vented now.

Do you think I will vote for her?

[onearmedbandit]

One of the basic premises of driving is what is known as Driver Responsibility. Passangers no matter what their station in life are not responsible for the speeds that they are driven at. This applies as much to all of us including Helen Clark.

I think what this has demonstrated to me at least is the cavalier attitude some police have to the public as well as the lack of guts to say no. The other thing that has pissed me off on this who paid for the defence? What's the bet you and I.

Skyryder


Skyryder

In Japan if you get into to a car with a drunk driver, or for that matter a speeder, the passengers can face fines as well, quite serious fines. The reasoning behind it is that they should be responsible to either make the driver stop or get out of the car. Kind of like being party to a criminal act that you could stop, but choose not to. I for one think this isn't a truely bad idea, especially for drink drivers. If you get into a car with a drunk driver, then you are just as guilty as the driver.

[WINJA]

In Japan if you get into to a car with a drunk driver, or for that matter a speeder, the passengers can face fines as well, quite serious fines. The reasoning behind it is that they should be responsible to either make the driver stop or get out of the car. Kind of like being party to a criminal act that you could stop, but choose not to. I for one think this isn't a truely bad idea, especially for drink drivers. If you get into a car with a drunk driver, then you are just as guilty as the driver.

I THINK YOULL FIND THAT ONE OF THE GUYS WHO GOT OFF WERE CHARGED WITH BEING A PARTY TO A DANGEROUS ACT OR SIMILAR, I DIDNT QUITE CATCH THAT BIT ON THE NEWS , CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG