helen clarks motorcade verdict

[texmo]

Im hoping to use this case in my court case...

What did you get done for TS? My mate got done for dangerous driving because he had sustaned loss of tration with people close by, that is 25meters away.....

[Indoo]

Agree with most of what you say with the exception to references to Helen Clark. The fact that she is the PM does (correction) 'not' make her responsible for the behavour of her drivers. Well not in law anyway.

I agree with some of what you have said, but the fact that she pleaded ignorance and acted like she had no say in the matter is ridiculous in the least.

She and her staff were the sole reason they were speeding, the cops involved (while stupid) had little say in the matter, unless they wanted to put their careers on the line by abandoning a prime ministerial motorcade because it exceeded the speed limit.

If you say they all should have been convicted then i hope you mean Helen as well.

[Skyryder]

I agree with some of what you have said, but the fact that she pleaded ignorance and acted like she had no say in the matter is ridiculous in the least.

She and her staff were the sole reason they were speeding, the cops involved (while stupid) had little say in the matter, unless they wanted to put their careers on the line by abandoning a prime ministerial motorcade because it exceeded the speed limit.

If you say they all should have been convicted then i hope you mean Helen as well.

Passangers can not be convicted for offences commited by the driver. And rightly so. Whether she knew of the circumstances and the time restraints is speculation. She pays people to handle these issues so she may not have known.

We can all sit on the sideline and pontificate to what she should have done. But the fact that there is an election in the not too distant future and political considerations may have played a part in her silence. Who knows. She is on record as saying that when she writes her biog. she will have a great deal to say on this issue.

Skyryder

[scumdog]

If you do a job you have a moral problem with, you don't do it. If you continue to do the job, then by default you agree with the regime. So harden up cops, accept that the rules were bent yet again for you guys, and I hope you feel like great big hypocrites next time you pull one of us for speeding.

Got no moral problems with what I do, and the point about 'agreeing with the regime' went right over my head, please elucidate.

No need for ME to harden up, never had no rules 'bent' for me, and if they're bent for others? ce's la vie.

Nope, don't feel a hypocrite when I pull somebody over, I'm not paid enough for that!!

[ManDownUnder]

I agree with some of what you have said, but the fact that she pleaded ignorance and acted like she had no say in the matter is ridiculous in the least.

She and her staff were the sole reason they were speeding, the cops involved (while stupid) had little say in the matter, unless they wanted to put their careers on the line by abandoning a prime ministerial motorcade because it exceeded the speed limit.

If you say they all should have been convicted then i hope you mean Helen as well.

I'm curious to see what (if anything) they unoficially got out of it. They take the wrap - get the Pollies off (and in get blamed for their actions in accordance with the law) but what do they get in days to come - priviledged duties of some sort etc?

It's curious that Helen "Didn't Notice"... because if she did, she would have been called as a witness, and asked why she didn't ask the driver to slow down.

The driver would then be in the position of saying what really happened (and my guess is that Helen said "get me there ...PRONTO") or lying in court - ANOTHER offence to add to the bill...

Naaa - it's all BS. But I liked Brash's comeback on it today "If I get elected PM.... I promise to notice if the car I am in is doing 160 kph"

[Lou Girardin]

Now there's Harry Duynhovens comment after the GG's driver was done for 130 in passing lanes, "some people are getting too prissy about speeding". I agree completely Harry, can you get your auditors to be less prissy when applying speed tax to us?
Actually what he said made complete sense about exceeding the limit to overtake safely.
Then the Police spooksman John Kelly commented that "if you have to exceed the speed limit to overtake, your judgement is flawed".
The only flaw here is the decision to promote phobic personalities to positions of power.
BTW I see that Kelly has been acting Road Safety manager for months now. When are they going to get a real one?
And what happened to his boss Fitzgerald, did he have a mental breakdown because the road toll is so high?

[ManDownUnder]

Now there's Harry Duynhovens comment after the GG's driver was done for 130 in passing lanes, "some people are getting too prissy about speeding". I agree completely Harry, can you get your auditors to be less prissy when applying speed tax to us?

but Lou - that assumes there is one law for all...

[stanko]

I thing the police were placed in a no win situation. If there were a trust opened to pay their fines it would be overflowing.

Clark has been proven to be a liar once again. Her record is not brilliant and thats just the stuff shes been caught for.

If I speed 100 times I may get caught once, If I do 50 burglaries I may get caught once or twice. Clark has been caught being less than 100% truthfull several times, how much has she got away with?

The Police just do the job that they are ordered to do, before Labour we had bugger all road police, now that seems to be the focus, it isnt Police policy so much as Govt directives, and ACC buying enforcment.

Public execution Sept 17th, Ill be in the crowd

[ManDownUnder]

Public execution Sept 17th, Ill be in the crowd

I'll selling tomatoes

$5/dozen (regular)
$10/dozen for rotten ones
$12/dozen for frozen ones...

[laRIKin]

Passangers can not be convicted for offences commited by the driver. Skyryder

What about the young guy in Gore that was drunk and gave his keys to
a friend that was also drunk and then the driver killed a kid at his gate.
They both got done with a fine and or was it prison.
I don't think is was right, but he (owner/passenger) got done as well,
but to a lesser degree.
I have always wondered how they could do that.

[Skyryder]

What about the young guy in Gore that was drunk and gave his keys to
a friend that was also drunk and then the driver killed a kid at his gate.
They both got done with a fine and or was it prison.
I don't think is was right, but he (owner/passenger) got done as well,
but to a lesser degree.
I have always wondered how they could do that.

Yes because he gave his keys to another drunk driver. Whether he knew he was drunk is irrelevant. Ignorance is not a defence. Bit like you giving your keys to someone with out a licence and they go and kill someone. You're going to get done for something. Stupidity is not a crime so they will think of something else.

Skyryder

[laRIKin]

I know what you are saying.
But it BS, on one hand, you are not of sound mind to drive.
But if you are drunk you are, going to make a sound judgement.
He threw down his keys and said I'm to drunk jumped into the back seat and passed out. And not knowing who was going to drive his car.
Well that was part of his defence.

Now a interesting point was made to me.
What if the cops were changed with endangerment of the PM life.
Then she would have, had to take the stand in court.

[Lou Girardin]

So, the buck doesn't go to the top then?

[Deano]

I agree with some of what you have said, but the fact that she pleaded ignorance and acted like she had no say in the matter is ridiculous in the least.

I remember taking a mate's mum to housie once in an RX4 - I nudged it fairly slowly up to 180km/h then asked what she thought of the car - then how fast she thought we were going....she thought about 100-120km/h until I said look at the speedo.

Who knows if Helen new or not, only the fly on the wall maybe.

Shouldn't be any double standards though, and all for a poxy game of thugby

[Deano]

What about the young guy in Gore that was drunk and gave his keys to
a friend that was also drunk and then the driver killed a kid at his gate.
They both got done with a fine and or was it prison.
I don't think is was right, but he (owner/passenger) got done as well,
but to a lesser degree.
I have always wondered how they could do that.

What about the guy who got done for manslaughter after revving it up at the lights against a girl racer - they dragged and the chick lost it killing at least one occupant of her car.

Would a cop construe us lads having a bit of a charge up the Taka's as racing, and if one bins and dies, the other(s) get done for manslaughter ?

I would love an informed opinion on this scenario please guys ?