The role of parents in financial education

[mashman]

EXACTLY people don´t give a shit and that won´t change if you get rid of the money. Its a people problem. If we were all utopian citizens we would take our time to do it - the vast majority could afford to give up an hour and 5$ of their leisure money a month to do it including you and me - but we don´t. There is no reason for anyone to be homeless or starving in places like the UK or NZ - they have excellent benefit systems compared to the rest of the world. Its an easy cop out to blame the money and governments when we all do so little to help.

Why won't that change? There are thousands of volunteers that can only spare a few house because they have to work too. Without having to rely on money, then can do the job full-time. That's a huge difference in the amount of effort being expended, more help would become available. Even if they were homeless by choice, they could still walk into the supermarket and pick food up instead of having to beg and they could walk into a camping shop and get a Grade A sleeping bag. Things would change. So you're either purposefully ignoring what you could do with a society without money, or you just don't give a shit.

[jonbuoy]

Why won't that change? There are thousands of volunteers that can only spare a few house because they have to work too. Without having to rely on money, then can do the job full-time. That's a huge difference in the amount of effort being expended, more help would become available. Even if they were homeless by choice, they could still walk into the supermarket and pick food up instead of having to beg and they could walk into a camping shop and get a Grade A sleeping bag. Things would change. So you're either purposefully ignoring what you could do with a society without money, or you just don't give a shit.

Well if your the crusader for the poor and needy - what was the last thing you did to help? Its clearly not a time or money issue - you have enough of both to be on the Internet bickering. Its an interesting way to defend your ideas - to say anyone who disagrees doesn´t give a shit about the poor. Lets face it ALL westerners are rich and powerful compared to people living in genuine poverty in third world countries - you have more power and money than they ever will - what have you done to help them?

[mashman]

I asked if you would be prepared to do what it takes

Still waiting for an answer

Well if your the crusader for the poor and needy - what was the last thing you did to help? Its clearly not a time or money issue - you have enough of both to be on the Internet bickering. Its an interesting way to defend your ideas - to say anyone who disagrees doesn´t give a shit about the poor. Lets face it ALL westerners are rich and powerful compared to people living in genuine poverty in third world countries - you have more power and money than they ever will - what have you done to help them?

Not as much as I could. I have my "adopted" homeless guys. When they're there or to be clearer, when they're there and I'm there I'll grab them something from the deli. However, I am prepared to end poverty by doing what it takes to have an economy that makes that a possibility. As asked above. Are you?

[blue rider]

Soilent Green is the answer to your pic.

with a paper thin wafer perhaps?

[jonbuoy]

Still waiting for an answer



Not as much as I could. I have my "adopted" homeless guys. When they're there or to be clearer, when they're there and I'm there I'll grab them something from the deli. However, I am prepared to end poverty by doing what it takes to have an economy that makes that a possibility. As asked above. Are you?

Answer to what? You said nothing would change for me? So what would I have to do?

If your saying I can do what I like - it sounds great - I get my own 80M yacht (not sure where we are going to keep them all though - everyone´s going to want one) I don´t have to work - even though for some reason people are going to want to work for me cleaning, cooking and maintaining. I can cruise wherever I like - (not sure how long the oils going to last - we will all be burning 24 tons a day or so in diesel fuel). But why is someone going to want to be changing my lightbulbs and servicing the engines, cleaning my toilet when they can have their own yacht if they wanted?

[mashman]

Answer to what? You said nothing would change for me? So what would I have to do?

If your saying I can do what I like - it sounds great - I get my own 80M yacht (not sure where we are going to keep them all though - everyone´s going to want one) I don´t have to work - even though for some reason people are going to want to work for me cleaning, cooking and maintaining. I can cruise wherever I like - (not sure how long the oils going to last - we will all be burning 24 tons a day or so in diesel fuel). But why is someone going to want to be changing my lightbulbs and servicing the engines, cleaning my toilet when they can have their own yacht if they wanted?

I asked if you would be prepared to do what it takes... which was in regards to ending poverty.

You assume that people are going to help you.

[jonbuoy]

I asked if you would be prepared to do what it takes... which was in regards to ending poverty.

You assume that people are going to help you.

What is it I need to do to end poverty - please can you explain? I thought getting rid of money was going to do that? If there is no money we can do and take what we want right?

[oldrider]

Mashman is quite correct IMHO regarding his moneyless economy but I also believe that it is too big a step in every way to succeed just now!

The current "corrupt" monitory system has been in existence almost since time began and the flaws that corrupt the system are intentionally man made to gain power!

If the control of the issue of new money (credit) was rested from the current illicit usurers and returned to the nation via the reserve bank for controlled distribution as credit rather than an interest bearing debt the balance between production and consumption could be restored.

This would then allow the current system to operate flawlessly cancelling out the dependency on wars, booms busts and cruel austerity measures and get the economy moving positively again.

Once the system settles down and people generally learn how smoothly it can run then it would be possible to experiment with new measures and systems such as Mashman prescribes!

If we continue to run with a flawed system and expect get a flawless result then that is absolute lunacy.

Adage: If you always do what you have always done, then you will always get what you have always got!

So while the current flawed system is operating "any" political party or government is destined to always get a flawed result, "irrespective"!

Left ..... centre ..... right, it wont make any difference how good they are, they will all ultimately fail, loaded with debt until they are inoperative!

Just check out the history that's freely available to anyone who cares to bother to look!

Get the monitory system sorted and "any" (take your pick) ... left ... centre ... right ... government will stand on it's merits by popular acclaim of it's performance!

[mashman]

What is it I need to do to end poverty - please can you explain? I thought getting rid of money was going to do that? If there is no money we can do and take what we want right?

I'll take that as a yes then. Just carry on being a good buoy.

[jonbuoy]

I'll take that as a yes then. Just carry on being a good buoy.

Come on Mashman - what do I need to do to end poverty? You can´t tell me now?

[Tarded]

Mashman is quite correct IMHO regarding his moneyless economy but I also believe that it is too big a step in every way to succeed just now!

The current "corrupt" monitory system has been in existence almost since time began and the flaws that corrupt the system are intentionally man made to gain power!

If the control of the issue of new money (credit) was rested from the current illicit usurers and returned to the nation via the reserve bank for controlled distribution as credit rather than an interest bearing debt the balance between production and consumption could be restored.

This would then allow the current system to operate flawlessly cancelling out the dependency on wars, booms busts and cruel austerity measures and get the economy moving positively again.

Once the system settles down and people generally learn how smoothly it can run then it would be possible to experiment with new measures and systems such as Mashman prescribes!

If we continue to run with a flawed system and expect get a flawless result then that is absolute lunacy.

Adage: If you always do what you have always done, then you will always get what you have always got!

So while the current flawed system is operating "any" political party or government is destined to always get a flawed result, "irrespective"!

Left ..... centre ..... right, it wont make any difference how good they are, they will all ultimately fail, loaded with debt until they are inoperative!

Just check out the history that's freely available to anyone who cares to bother to look!

Get the monitory system sorted and "any" (take your pick) ... left ... centre ... right ... government will stand on it's merits by popular acclaim of it's performance!

And in the mean time teach kids to save? Didnt this come in at the beginning?

The OP has a mental illness or personality disorder. Im not quite experienced enough to say which.
This is not a jibe or veiled criticism. Im not that subtle.

You cant change human psyche. His or the worlds.
Its just how it is man

[jonbuoy]

I´m sure Mashmans intentions are well meant - maybe he doesn´t understand greed because he´s not greedy.

[mashman]

Come on Mashman - what do I need to do to end poverty? You can´t tell me now?

I just did.

I´m sure Mashmans intentions are well meant - maybe he doesn´t understand greed because he´s not greedy.

... you think I've always thought this way? How quaint.

[mashman]

And in the mean time teach kids to save? Didnt this come in at the beginning?

The OP has a mental illness or personality disorder. Im not quite experienced enough to say which.
This is not a jibe or veiled criticism. Im not that subtle.

You cant change human psyche. His or the worlds.
Its just how it is man

I'll tell you which I have. Neither. I am experienced, because I know me, as do plenty of others and one thing they wouldn't call me is mentally ill or disordered. I function perfectly well in the world every day, primarily laughing and smiling with others. Just going on experience like.

I changed my "human psyche". You're wrong. My wife changed hers. You're wrong. After explaining to friends they have changed theirs. You're wrong. There are already people who have considered this that live in NZ. You're wrong. In essence, you're wrong. If you can't change yourself, then you are a weak willed being with zero knowledge of the human mind let alone how human beings react in their environment. I'm not subtle either

[mashman]

Mashman is quite correct IMHO regarding his moneyless economy but I also believe that it is too big a step in every way to succeed just now!

The current "corrupt" monitory system has been in existence almost since time began and the flaws that corrupt the system are intentionally man made to gain power!

If the control of the issue of new money (credit) was rested from the current illicit usurers and returned to the nation via the reserve bank for controlled distribution as credit rather than an interest bearing debt the balance between production and consumption could be restored.

This would then allow the current system to operate flawlessly cancelling out the dependency on wars, booms busts and cruel austerity measures and get the economy moving positively again.

Once the system settles down and people generally learn how smoothly it can run then it would be possible to experiment with new measures and systems such as Mashman prescribes!

If we continue to run with a flawed system and expect get a flawless result then that is absolute lunacy.

Adage: If you always do what you have always done, then you will always get what you have always got!

So while the current flawed system is operating "any" political party or government is destined to always get a flawed result, "irrespective"!

Left ..... centre ..... right, it wont make any difference how good they are, they will all ultimately fail, loaded with debt until they are inoperative!

Just check out the history that's freely available to anyone who cares to bother to look!

Get the monitory system sorted and "any" (take your pick) ... left ... centre ... right ... government will stand on it's merits by popular acclaim of it's performance!

A long term plan eh. Shame you have to get it past the morons wrapped in stupid. Fortunately most of them ride motorcycles and are a minority, well, a majority of them.