Paleo diet?

[Drew]

Who knows, one day the greenies may be promoting meat production over corn and spuds due to loss of topsoil....

I hate hippies!

[Ocean1]

The food pyramid is wrong!

You just figured that out?

The U.S. Department of Agriculture's 1991 withdrawal of its Eating Right Pyramid food guide in response to pressure from meat and dairy producers was only the latest in a long series of industry attempts to influence federal dietary recommendations. Such attempts began when diet-related health problems in the United States shifted in prevalence from nutrient deficiencies to chronic diseases, and dietary advice shifted from "eat more" to "eat less." The Pyramid controversy focuses attention on the conflict between federal protection of the rights of food lobbyists to act in their own self-interest, and federal responsibility to promote the nutritional health of the public. Since 1977, for example, under pressure from meat producers, federal dietary advice has evolved from "decrease consumption of meat" to "have two or three (daily) servings." Thus, this recent incident also highlights the inherent conflict of interest in the Department of Agriculture's dual mandates to promote U.S. agricultural products and to advise the public about healthy food choices.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8375951

[scissorhands]

You just figured that out?



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8375951

I dont work for the meat board, honest! But yeah, very political and a ton of money at stake

As the world population increases, meat may be a luxury, unless you live in NZ or the countryside or coast

[Ocean1]

I dont work for the meat board, honest! But yeah, very political and a ton of money at stake

Used to be you never believed anything out of the US whatsoever, they invented lobbyism, it makes every truth a battle of the budgets, and they're not even slightly ashamed about it.

Unfortunately the rest of the world learned how that works, and now you can't believe anything, from anywhere.

At least we feel guilty about it.

[scissorhands]

Used to be you never believed anything out of the US whatsoever, they invented lobbyism, it makes every truth a battle of the budgets, and they're not even slightly ashamed about it.

Unfortunately the rest of the world learned how that works, and now you can't believe anything, from anywhere.

At least we feel guilty about it.

We can believe India gets maybe 1 medal at the Olympics.
I can believe my improved tendon, kidneys and sleeping right through

I can see the skin on the back of my hands tighten and wrinkles disappear.
I can feel my mood change and observe my clear happy more able mind to type and write with less effort

At least we have anecdotal personal experiences

And yet they try to take that away too

[Naki Rat]

Who knows, one day the greenies may be promoting meat production over corn and spuds due to loss of topsoil....

The wise ones already are Part of Joel Salatin's interview here goes into the soil generating capacity of livestock.

And both of the books I linked to earlier in this thread discuss in depth the damage that repeated cultivation of soil required for the growing of annual grasses (i.e. grains) causes to soil reserves.

[scissorhands]

The wise ones already are Part of Joel Salatin's interview here goes into the soil generating capacity of livestock.

And both of the books I linked to earlier in this thread discuss in depth the damage that repeated cultivation of soil required for the growing of annual grasses (i.e. grains) causes to soil reserves.

I checked those links thanks.

The Nile Delta contains all the topsoil from early Egyptian horticulture. I think thats why Egypt failed, they could no longer crop the ground they had used for thousands of years, as it had been all washed away by rains and blown away by winds. Rocky Mediterranean soils like in Italy and Greece were probably covered in rich soils. West Africa too. Now they can only grow figs, olives and goats

New Zealands advantage is its newness. The sea around Port Waikato is always brown compared to the minor runoff from small waitakere streams in Piha

Pukekohe is on limited time. Without crop rotation and fallow, the soils are so depleted now and will die without rest. Much of the siltification within the Port Waikato Delta is a response to lost soils.

Lost soils are a huge long term issue. Once its gone, its gone! And many millenia are required to replace them. Deforestation can be fixed so much easier than loss of soils

Even pasture can promote soil loss, as seen in erosion on steep hill sides like after Cyclone Bola. My Waikato farm is pushed up river silt, very steep but remarkable free draining and erosion resistant. Shame about the stock that roll down the hill sometimes... 100's of wild goats in the back paddocks

[Drew]

I can feel my mood change and observe my clear happy more able mind to type and write with less effort

So you're not an Aspie, you just weren't eating right?!

[scumdog]

It's all a bunch, of hippy tree hugging CRAP!

Ahhh, what would YOU know- you're only a boy...

[Banditbandit]

So you're not an Aspie, you just weren't eating right?!

Yeah ... Naa bro .. Scissor's current focus-come-fixation on diet is very typical of aspie's behaviour ... It'll probably wear off in about six months - when he fixates on something else ..

(I wont tell you what my current fixation is ... )

[scissorhands]

why wait six months when you do that now?

[scumdog]

Yeah ... Naa bro .. (I wont tell you what my current fixation is ... )

What's with all this 'Yeah...Naaa' shit you North Islanders do?

Can y'all just not make up you minds?



Is it diet related??r

[Naki Rat]

I checked those links thanks.

The Nile Delta contains all the topsoil from early Egyptian horticulture. I think thats why Egypt failed, they could no longer crop the ground they had used for thousands of years, as it had been all washed away by rains and blown away by winds. Rocky Mediterranean soils like in Italy and Greece were probably covered in rich soils. West Africa too. Now they can only grow figs, olives and goats

New Zealands advantage is its newness. The sea around Port Waikato is always brown compared to the minor runoff from small waitakere streams in Piha

Pukekohe is on limited time. Without crop rotation and fallow, the soils are so depleted now and will die without rest. Much of the siltification within the Port Waikato Delta is a response to lost soils.

Lost soils are a huge long term issue. Once its gone, its gone! And many millenia are required to replace them. Deforestation can be fixed so much easier than loss of soils

Even pasture can promote soil loss, as seen in erosion on steep hill sides like after Cyclone Bola. My Waikato farm is pushed up river silt, very steep but remarkable free draining and erosion resistant. Shame about the stock that roll down the hill sometimes... 100's of wild goats in the back paddocks

Modern farming also has a weapon of mass destruction toward soils that past civilisations didn't; soluble nitrogen fertilisers! The rampant use of inputs such as urea is doing more for the decline in topsoil depth than most farmers' mechanical efforts.

Soil science 101: Nitrogen in highly soluble form stimulates the soil bacteria that consume the organic matter (humus) in soil. These are similar bacteria to those that heat and consume plant wastes during composting, so long as manure or other nitrogenous 'fuel' is present. The free nitrogen applied to pasture or crops results in (forced and nutritionally lacking) plant growth, but more importantly breaks down the humus and in doing so reduces topsoil volume (depth) and releases the carbon it has sequestered as CO2. Continued application of soluble fertilisers including nitrogenous ones reduce soil biological activity and generates shallow root depth, both of which promote erosion of soils as well as adversely effecting water holding quality (i.e. drainage, drought resistance).

Healthy soil is very capable of generating, storing (fixing) and supplying nitrogen. Our atmosphere is after all 78% nitrogen. But in the quest for ever more production from our farming systems nitrogenous fertilisers are used to 'mine' that nitrogen that is held in the soil with continually greater amounts of fertiliser being required to result in the same 'fix'. And that nitrogen fertiliser is mostly manufactured by way of an energy hungry process reliant on oil. Now, join the dots.....

Or better still let this guy explain the connection from soil to diet.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Used to be you never believed anything out of the US whatsoever, they invented lobbyism, it makes every truth a battle of the budgets, and they're not even slightly ashamed about it.

Unfortunately the rest of the world learned how that works, and now you can't believe anything, from anywhere.

At least we feel guilty about it.

I agree entirely. I have read some books about food and food production in the US and it is corrupt AS FUCK.

Then again look at Yrp. Horse meat in your pies anyone? Not that there is anything wrong with horse meat, but the punters need to know thats what they're eating. Having said that, a family size pie or whatever for 50 p? if it sounds too good to be true, its not true.

[mashman]

Yeah ... Naa bro .. Scissor's current focus-come-fixation on diet is very typical of aspie's behaviour ... It'll probably wear off in about six months - when he fixates on something else ..

(I wont tell you what my current fixation is ... )

Thank fuck there's a label for people who have multiple interests and once one interest reaches some form of conclusion it is replaced by another one. For a moment I thought human beings were made to have multiple interests instead of just one track minds... and being the inquisitive little fuckers they are only encourage that behaviour. I also used to think that those who focused on one thing for their entire life were just OCD morons. Thanks for setting the record straight, now it's best we tie them weird fuckers to a chair Clockwork Orange stylez.

(if it's about the end of the world, I really wanna know)