Government to pay for sex change??????

[Motu]

It's a sad fact that the economic group that shouldn't breed produce too many offspring to feed the cycle,a tiny fraction in NZ,but look at Africa and Asia,how the hell do you stop them? But we shouldn't hold the children to ransome over this,they are the ones we need to help the most,to give their children the best chance.

NZ along with other so called developed nations has been forced into a 2 income family for over 25yrs,most of you wouldn't know a time when mothers didn't have to work.I was brought up in an era when it was a slur on a mans earning ability that his wife had to go out and work,it shamed them,and I remember my father not allowing my mother to get a job.Our neighbourhoods were full of mothers working hard all day bringing up their kids,always there,our friends mothers were always there,a safe nutuered enviroment.No one threw concrete blocks off motorway bridges.

We have 4 children and have been a single income family for 25 yrs,the system is not made for us and it's been and still is bloody tough.We have taken some low income assistance gratfully,but being selfemployed for the last 10 yrs I get squat,it's all on my shoulders.

[Beemer]

oh get over it... your just bitching because it's a tranny and for no other fucking reason...

What about all that stuff Beemer is on about... what about funding for stupid education that fails everyone, what about money spent on an army that doesn't even sum up...

Get over it and find something else to bitch about... narrow minded people like you really piss me off...

If you don't like it vote for someone else this time round...

Edit: And what about Joe Bloggs? Why didn't he/she save for thier own operation... oh right... they are assumably straight and therefore more deserving? twat

I don't give a shit if someone is straight, gay, bisexual, transsexual or what, but I do object to that person expecting the government to pay for it. This person is 73 years old - surely if they have felt trapped in the wrong body all their life, they should have done something about it sooner? It's a bit late to start whingeing at that age - does he/she really think having a sex change is going to make much difference to their life at 73? Hell, at that age it's likely they will die on the operating table!

I have friends from all backgrounds so please don't play the 'you guys hate gays' card, it really is tiresome. I think what everyone is upset about is the fact this person wants the government to fund it. I'm sorry, but it doesn't come in the same category as a lifesaving heart operation or something like that. And I think all of us would have a bit more sympathy if this person was 23 and not 73. It's no different to a morbidly obese person eating themselves senseless for 70 years and then expecting the government to pay for a stomach stapling operation or liposuction. (Wait, I forgot, it's actually Pipi that pays for that!).

We're not all narrow minded, we just get pissed off at preferential treatment.

[ManDownUnder]

This pisses me off, but not as much as all the assistance given to middle-income people WITH kids - what about those of us WITHOUT kids? Why should we have to pay extra taxes for those of you who choose to breed? We have low pay too but because we don't have kids, we get sweet FA in the way of assistance from the government. Quite frankly, I'd vote for any party that offered ANY person on a low income a tax cut or financial assistance. Having kids is a CHOICE and if you can't afford them, DON'T have them! Can you imagine the response if we went to the government and said "I'd love a C-class Mercedes but I really can't afford it, can you help me?"

Having kids is like having animals - if you can't afford to feed and care for them, DON'T bloody have them! And if you DO, don't expect the rest of us to PAY for that decision!

OI BEEMER - I HAVE KIDS (and I agree with you 100%!)

Aunty Helen saying it's not fair that someone on $60,000 without kids should pay the same amount of taxes as someone on $60,000 with kids...

WTF?

Why not?

IF you can't afford 'em, please keep you pants on (or at least keep bodily fluids from meeting...)

[ManDownUnder]

oh get over it... your just bitching because it's a tranny and for no other fucking reason...

What about all that stuff Beemer is on about... what about funding for stupid education that fails everyone, what about money spent on an army that doesn't even sum up...

Get over it and find something else to bitch about... narrow minded people like you really piss me off...

If you don't like it vote for someone else this time round...

Edit: And what about Joe Bloggs? Why didn't he/she save for thier own operation... oh right... they are assumably straight and therefore more deserving? twat

'fraid I'm going to have to disagre on this one.

While I recognise the discomfort those that are "born in the wrong body" must feel... and I freely admit I can't relate to it - I find it very difficult to place their needs over someone that is waiting for a life saving operation.

Just as I find it difficult to understand why you would ever place anyone with a "pain issue" ahead of someone with a life threatening issue.

Saving for my health care was done for me - by way of taxes I have paid over the last 20 years, and now I still have to pay more to private health care as those "compulsory savings" aren't enough.

Just 5c
MDU

[Lias]

I was reading that amongst the "strict criteria" they have to pass to get the operation are that they are feeling suicidal over not getting the operation.

I say give them a farking shotgun, or a scalpel and tell em to cut lengthwise.

[ManDownUnder]

I was reading that amongst the "strict criteria" they have to pass to get the operation are that they are feeling suicidal over not getting the operation.

I say give them a farking shotgun, or a scalpel and tell em to cut lengthwise.

Cheers - that's the life theatening situation I was unable to think of (in my post above)..

Re the shotgun - you've got all the taste of a glass of water...

[Odin]

I'm referring to all the tax breaks and financial assistance that the government bribes voters with.

Maybe it's just that I've giving up on the news and politics as it seems to be only bad news, reality TV and wine box scandals that are worthy of broadcasting. Therefore i am not really up with the newest suggestions from the "regulators" and can not comment on any future tax breaks promised for families with kids. But i can say that i received no help with my kids and unless things have changed dramatically in the last 5 years I don't think there is all that much to get for "normal" middle class families. But in general i think the benefit/support system is all wrong. The more you pay in tax the harder it is to get any support when you need it. If you are temporarily unemployed there is a quarantine period depending on your income .... bullshit in my view. I guess for the relative little benefit there is for middle class families it would perhaps be better to take all financial child support away and give it back to all NZ'ers.
I still think parental leave should remain. how it should be paid for is an other matter. Having it paid for by the employer seems wrong as that kind of makes future mothers much less employable. I think as a nation NZ should stick together and take care of our own (help to selfhelp, no leeching) and stop being so dam jealous when the nabour gets 10c more then us.

....my problem is with these people expecting financial assistance to do so.

No problems with me then, i don't expect it. I'll will and have paid for my kids and they won't need to have a student loan interest free or not (Nowtheres something i think is unjust, "you" agreed to the terms now pay it back)

And besides, I hate kids!

Me to they are dam chewy

[Lias]

Re the shotgun - you've got all the taste of a glass of water...

True.. shotguns make a bloody awful mess for someone else to have to clean up.

[inlinefour]

True.. shotguns make a bloody awful mess for someone else to have to clean up.

As long as the blood & guts has not dried up too much...

[ManDownUnder]

True.. shotguns make a bloody awful mess for someone else to have to clean up.

As long as the blood & guts has not dried up too much...

A HA HA HA.. a... haaa... a ........ ha

(can I stop laughing now?)

yeah... shooting ppl is funny... real funny - like dropping bricks on people

[Lias]

Heaven's forbid that anyone shoots someone else.

All I'm saying is that the government is considering giving people a 30,000 operation because they dont like their flaming body image, and they are so depressed about it they might kill themselves.. So I reckon instead of wasting $30,000 of our bloody tax money we assist them with the other alternative.. Hell maybe I should give Lesley Martin a ring

Look at it this way, if some random woman wanted some liposuction and a boob job because she thought she was a super model trapped in an ugly fat body most any sane person would tell them to sod off.. Why the farq should it be any diffrent because some bloke reckons hes a woman trapped in a mans body or vice versa.

[ManDownUnder]

Heaven's forbid that anyone shoots someone else.

All I'm saying is that the government is considering giving people a 30,000 operation because they dont like their flaming body image, and they are so depressed about it they might kill themselves.. So I reckon instead of wasting $30,000 of our bloody tax money we assist them with the other alternative.. Hell maybe I should give Lesley Martin a ring

Look at it this way, if some random woman wanted some liposuction and a boob job because she thought she was a super model trapped in an ugly fat body most any sane person would tell them to sod off.. Why the farq should it be any diffrent because some bloke reckons hes a woman trapped in a mans body or vice versa.

Agreed - all I am saying is that life and death issues should get priority over cosmetic and pain issues...

If councelling is an option that deserves consideration (and in this case it really sounds like it does... especially if this person wants to "change back"...!) then that should be the option presented/explored first.

As for the gun conversation - I think you and I have done that topic before.

[WINJA]

oh get over it... your just bitching because it's a tranny and for no other fucking reason...

What about all that stuff Beemer is on about... what about funding for stupid education that fails everyone, what about money spent on an army that doesn't even sum up...

Get over it and find something else to bitch about... narrow minded people like you really piss me off...

If you don't like it vote for someone else this time round...

Edit: And what about Joe Bloggs? Why didn't he/she save for thier own operation... oh right... they are assumably straight and therefore more deserving? twat

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I PAY LOTSA TAXES AND TWICE NOW IVE HAD TO HAVE PRIVATE HOSPITAL TREATMENT CAUSE THE HEALTH SYSTEM HAS NO MONEY , FUCK THAT SELFISH TV WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 20 KNEE OPS , OR 20 CATARACT OPS THAT DONT GET DONE SO SOME FAG CAN FUFILL THERE SEXUAL FANTASY , I HAVE NO PROBS WITH THESE OPS OR THESE PEOPLE BUT IM FUCKED IF I WANNA PAY FOR IT , HOPE THE FUCKER DIES ON THE TABLE

[inlinefour]

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I PAY LOTSA TAXES AND TWICE NOW IVE HAD TO HAVE PRIVATE HOSPITAL TREATMENT CAUSE THE HEALTH SYSTEM HAS NO MONEY , FUCK THAT SELFISH TV WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 20 KNEE OPS , OR 20 CATARACT OPS THAT DONT GET DONE SO SOME FAG CAN FUFILL THERE SEXUAL FANTASY , I HAVE NO PROBS WITH THESE OPS OR THESE PEOPLE BUT IM FUCKED IF I WANNA PAY FOR IT , HOPE THE FUCKER DIES ON THE TABLE

And the shotgun thing was a piss take only. Ive cleaned up a bit of blood after individuals have self harmed and like I said, its easier to clean up when its not dried up...