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    Misrepresentation

    A thread that all round deviant Drew started on another topic ( selling bikes ) and how people will tell big lies to make the sale reminded me how we are also afflicted in the suspension industry. Private sellers and those peddling stuff on Trade me but misrepresenting are all too common and its disturbing and despicable. Here are a few examples

    1) The guy who was passing off a Sachs shock on Trade me as Ohlins. When we asked a few questions and pointed out that it wasnt Ohlins it was promptly withdrawn from sale. How many people have been conned in this way?

    2 ) ''Im sending my forks to you for service and setup, the guy who sold me the bike said they have Ohlins ( or Race Tech ) pistons and springs in them.'' We pull them apart to find they are stock or have had a terrible bodge in them. Its surprising and disturbing how often this happens..........

    3 ) The guy who bought a large capacity road bike to us recently with an Ohlins shock that wasnt working. He had purchased it like that from a dealer. When the bike showed up we were horrified. The shock was for a totally different model, wrong length, wrong stroke, wrong valving, there were clearance issues. It also had a 1368 lb spring fitted which should have been a 969 lb spring. The bike was DANGEROUS and should not have been sold in that condition. The guy who traded it knew the shock was WRONG, the guy who accepted the trade should have known it was WRONG, the guy selling the bike should have known it was WRONG. it was VERY WRONG that it cost the customer a not insubstatnial sum to put it right so that the bike was in a safe and rideable condition

    4) People removing Race Tech emulators out of their forks before they onsell the bike. Emulators are matched to work with the stock damper rods that have had their original damping holes oversized so there is no flow restriction in the rods themselves. The emulators take over that duty and do a much better job of it. If you remove the emulators ( so you can make a few more DISHONEST pennies ) you end up with a set of forks with virtually NO DAMPING. That is a very despicable thing to do, selling a bike that you have KNOWINGLY made unsafe

    A few prosecutions wouldnt go amiss here and there to send a message THIS IS NOT ALRIGHT. We hear stories all the time about dealers doing the odd dodgy thing and there are protections in place to seek recourse for such misdemeanours. But the number of private resellers doing such dodgy things is very much in evidence, and that INCLUDES trading in bikes with defects that might not be readily apparent and not being sincere enough to tell the dealer

    Thankfully, most New Zealanders have a keen sense of fairplay.

    With respect to suspension and in particular Ohlins we offer a complimentary service verifying if such goods advertised on Trademe, E-Bay etc are exactly what they are represented as. Every Ohlins shock made in Sweden has a specification coding stamped into its cylinder head and its vital to get that off the reseller. On receipt of that info and an e-mailed link etc we can verify exactly what it is. This helps to avert often costly mistakes. We are on the side of the purchaser, we wouldnt after all sell an unsuitable suspension unit ourselves. Caveat emptor.

    Contrary to very popular misconception shocks are not ''one size fits all'' They are model specific.

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    Some pretty shocking behavior there.

    Nice work on the serial number verification thing It would be good to see someone's false advertising rebound back and bite them in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    I tried to think of more puns, but my creativity has bottomed out...
    Your poor bottom. Apparently I need to spread myself around a bit before I can spring a bit more bling on you.

    *pathetic I agree, but I tried

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    On number 1, could it have been the guy didnt know it wasnt ohlinns? And he removed it when he was told it wasnt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    With respect to suspension and in particular Ohlins we offer a complimentary service verifying if such goods advertised on Trademe, E-Bay etc are exactly what they are represented as. Every Ohlins shock made in Sweden has a specification coding stamped into its cylinder head and its vital to get that off the reseller. On receipt of that info and an e-mailed link etc we can verify exactly what it is.

    Good shit RT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzspokes View Post
    On number 1, could it have been the guy didnt know it wasnt ohlinns? And he removed it when he was told it wasnt?
    Could be but he didnt try very hard and made an assumption if that were the case. But when was ignorance ever a credible excuse? No sympathy for him.

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    Another scenario, we have done two jobs recently where the customers paid not insubstanial amounts of money elsewhere for a revalve when in fact the number one issue was the springing was incorrect for the rider weight. One of these riders being very light and the other heavy. It doesnt matter how much you revalve it, if the springing isnt fundamentally matched to the rider stats the shock just aint going to work. The light rider spent the entire Junior Motox champs crashing his brains out because the spring rate was 4 rates too heavy for him....

    Even if the shocks were ''hydraulically tired'' youd still get a way better result by first and foremost fitting correct spring rates. It severely peeves me off that people take money when its not actually the correct and most important fix that they are doing. And some of these guys have got the temerity to call themselves experts.

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    Your industry certainly isn't alone in having plenty of people who think they know what they're doing, when they really don't.

    The only big difference is that suspension keeps you upright. In IT, it just means the business might be dead in the water for a while...
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    Question on suspension upgrades

    I do make many changes to my bikes, but things like suspension upgrades I leave to the experts. I do have one question though. If I were to upgrade either front or rear suspension on my GSX1250FA would you recommend I do first?
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    Food for thought. Not that I'm looking to move my bike along any time soon, but if I left the front as is (sprung for my weight) and with emulators in, but replaced the ohlins with the original shock and spring would I be selling a suspension deathtrap ?


    Also, if I lost 12% bodyweight since I had the suspension done, at what point should I be looking to change spring rates? Would it be cheaper to eat chocolate, cake and drink malt whiskey to recover my weight than "tune" my suspension?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post

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    That's the spirit!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    I do make many changes to my bikes, but things like suspension upgrades I leave to the experts. I do have one question though. If I were to upgrade either front or rear suspension on my GSX1250FA would you recommend I do first?
    Ummm, spring rates. I thought Robert had made that pretty clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Taylor View Post
    Could be but he didnt try very hard and made an assumption if that were the case. But when was ignorance ever a credible excuse? No sympathy for him.
    But they both had yellow springs! ergo, both Ohlins......

    I just want to chime in and say thanks for the "let us check that out for you" thing.

    I'll be in touch when I need my Scrambler shocks recalibrated for whatever I end up buying.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluninja View Post
    Food for thought. Not that I'm looking to move my bike along any time soon, but if I left the front as is (sprung for my weight) and with emulators in, but replaced the ohlins with the original shock and spring would I be selling a suspension deathtrap ?
    I did a swapsie deal with cash my way: sold the guy my (beautifully upgraded) stock forks with emulators and springs, bought the stock forks from him, sold the ohlins rear and reinstalled the stock. Badaboom badabing, recouped some investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    I do make many changes to my bikes, but things like suspension upgrades I leave to the experts. I do have one question though. If I were to upgrade either front or rear suspension on my GSX1250FA would you recommend I do first?
    I guess the quick answer is whichever end is giving you the most grief.

    The front end blows through its stroke too readily under brakes, also it wont absorb the abrupt bumps on the road. If thats driving you nuts do that first. The springs need changing to linear wind in a rate appropriate to you ( and dont implicitly trust spring rate calculators on the net ) We strengthen up the midvalve for more initial hold and revalve the standard rebound piston. If its got big port compression pistons we simply revalve them. If they are small port pistons ( and only if they have small ports ) we replace with big port pistons that have ample flow area over abrupt bumps

    We did a set of CBR600 forks today and they had big port pistons, the customer had budgeted to replace them , but he didnt need them

    End result more control but also much more compliance

    If the load on the rear is substantial and its riding low in its stroke than that may be the number 1 issue to address. The stock shock is pretty basic and lacks size and oil capacity, so deleting the first part of a typical statement you cannot turn it into strawberry jam. Bear in mind that Ohlins now have a ''streetline'' range of highly affordable shocks for such bikes.

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    Hi Robert, have you had any experience (comments) of the Showa suspension on the 2012 CBR1000RR units yet, the big piston fronts and balance free rears.

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