The Constitution. And shit.

**Akzle** · 25th June 2013, 19:10

i hear it a lot and it irks me.
Concerning nz. 'its uncostitutional', 'constitutional review' etc.

What the fuck do people believe to be the nz constitution?!

**unstuck** · 25th June 2013, 19:17

Originally Posted by Akzle

i hear it a lot and it irks me.
Concerning nz. 'its uncostitutional', 'constitutional review' etc.

What the fuck do people believe to be the nz constitution?!

We can heaps of pies bro, cos we got a good constitution.

**Oakie** · 25th June 2013, 19:24

New Zealand does have a constitution. it’s just not all written down in a single document. Our constitutional rules include legislation such as the Bill of Rights Act 1990 and the Constitution Act 1986, foundational documents such as the Treaty of Waitangi signed in 1840 and constitutional principles.

New Zealand is one of only three countries, including Israel and the United Kingdom, that does not have a constitution written down in a single document.

In New Zealand, we base our constitution on principles, which include:

The rule of law i.e. everyone in New Zealand, including governments, must follow the law.
New Zealand is a representative democracy i.e. voters elect people to represent them in Parliament.
We have a responsible government i.e. the Ministers who make up the Government must also be members of Parliament and are accountable to Parliament.

No I didn't come up with that. Linky link for the full article >>> http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/Ne...s-Constitution

**mashman** · 25th June 2013, 19:31

Originally Posted by unstuck

We can heaps of pies bro, cos we got a good constitution.

Have you seen the resultant shit from those pies

**Akzle** · 25th June 2013, 19:33

Originally Posted by Oakie

New Zealand does have a constitution. it’s just not all written down in a single document. Our constitutional rules include legislation such as the Bill of Rights Act 1990 and the Constitution Act 1986, foundational documents such as the Treaty of Waitangi signed in 1840 and constitutional principles.

New Zealand is one of only three countries, including Israel and the United Kingdom, that does not have a constitution written down in a single document.

In New Zealand, we base our constitution on principles, which include:

The rule of law i.e. everyone in New Zealand, including governments, must follow the law.
New Zealand is a representative democracy i.e. voters elect people to represent them in Parliament.
We have a responsible government i.e. the Ministers who make up the Government must also be members of Parliament and are accountable to Parliament.

No I didn't come up with that. Linky link for the full article >>> http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/Ne...s-Constitution

OR
The govt wasnt constitutionally formed so that legislation is unlawful.

I was more wondering what the average joe THOUGHT not googld. It seems to be a catchphrase accepted/taken in ignorance.

**unstuck** · 25th June 2013, 19:36

Originally Posted by mashman

Have you seen the resultant shit from those pies

Not yours I aint no.

**Smifffy** · 25th June 2013, 19:36

Originally Posted by Akzle

OR
The govt wasnt constitutionally formed so that legislation is unlawful.

I was more wondering what the average joe THOUGHT not googld. It seems to be a catchphrase accepted/taken in ignorance.

Just more of the 3 second sound bite bullshit that this country runs on.

**mashman** · 25th June 2013, 19:39

Originally Posted by unstuck

Not yours I aint no.

heh... I was going for a metaphor in line with the OP, but hey, the poo lady would fall in love with my perfectly formed bum drops.

**oneofsix** · 25th June 2013, 19:42

I might e totally wrong here but I thought our version of constitution was based on the fabric of common law and a few bits of of legislation. By trying to put it in a single document we are allowing the current fear ridden government to dictate the countries future mode of operation. The USA's and most other constitutions were written during optimistic times in their countries. Those that weren't have created despot states where the people have suffered.

**Laava** · 25th June 2013, 19:53

Right then, thats constitution wrapped up. Spose you wanna talk shit now.

**Akzle** · 25th June 2013, 19:55

Originally Posted by oneofsix

I might e totally wrong here but I thought our version of constitution was based on the fabric of common law and a few bits of of legislation. By trying to put it in a single document we are allowing the current fear ridden government to dictate the countries future mode of operation. The USA's and most other constitutions were written during optimistic times in their countries. Those that weren't have created despot states where the people have suffered.

go on.
What is 'common law'??

**Akzle** · 25th June 2013, 19:57

Originally Posted by Laava

Right then, thats constitution wrapped up. Spose you wanna talk shit now.

well, if you insist...

**oneofsix** · 25th June 2013, 20:23

Originally Posted by Akzle

go on.
What is 'common law'??

Go on what. Never said I understood it, even said I was possibly wrong

As I understand it it is law made up from court cases rather than that dictated from Parliament but it is only useful as long as judges and courts are separate from government. It also incorporates historical elements because it is developed over time so not as troubled by the here and now. A constitution can be amended with relative easy compared to history.

**Akzle** · 25th June 2013, 20:34

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Go on what. Never said I understood it, even said I was possibly wrong

As I understand it it is law made up from court cases rather than that dictated from Parliament but it is only useful as long as judges and courts are separate from government. It also incorporates historical elements because it is developed over time so not as troubled by the here and now. A constitution can be amended with relative easy compared to history.

funny enough. Thats CASE law.
Common law is 'the imemorable practice of the people'
by LEGISLATION common=universal (universal=everyone, like, not a democratic majority, but EVERYONE)
anyway, case law is ruled under legislation.
If your person is charged with an infringement, and theres proof, your person is guilty.
Steal a loaf of bread to feed the family, ie.
They cant rule against legislation.