2,000 years?Originally Posted by Banditbandit
Really?
Curmudgeon
2,000 years?
Really?
Anarchic Wild Child
No .. the Declaration of Independence is the basis for our internationally recognised sovereignty - the treaty references that declaration ...
Jeez ... we don't need to - enough of our own peopl eare like that - even if their ethnicity is not ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
No sorry .. Our ancestors signed the version in te reo Maori - which places tino rangatiratanga (sovereignty) with Maori ... Under New Zealand (and British law) an agreement , like a treaty or contractual agreement, has to be understood by both parties - or it is not enforcable. The white fellows who signed it understood both the Maori version and the English version (they wrote both) Maori understood the reo Maori version - but not the English version .. therefore the actual treaty is the Maori version - (see Appeal Court Decisdion of 1986) - and we have sovereigty and your Government has no legal basis ..
Yes, no and maybe ... We have put aside the queastion of the legality of the New Zealand Government under International Law ... maybe now is the tiem to raise it again ... and not al Maori buy into the settlement process ... Some people have claimed to represent al their iwi - others dispute that claim ..In current times the Treaty is being upheld and reparations made - all flowing from laws enacted under the Crown. If Maori indigenous law still existed in any legal sense, there would be no Treaty Tribunal and no settlements.
Yes - it should have been ours ...In a nutshell Maori cannot take the advantages of New Zealand laws and at the same time insist they have separate laws which entitle Maori to pick and choose which they follow. Its either one system or the other.
But yes, I agree. The reality is one system for all ... Why has that been denied to us ???
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Yeah mate ... Moa bones cooked 2,000 years ago have been found in the hills of Hawke's Bay ... who do you think cooked them ???
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
YEAH !!!! Me too ... much more humane way to live as a society !!!
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
You're showing your cultural bias .. what privileges writing over oral sources ???
Maybe because it's a myth that Māori ate the Moriori ...We shoulda just eaten all you native buggers from the getgo, like ya did to the Morioris.
Funnily enough, some shearers dont have much of a sense of humour about that.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
SH1 rider
The Chinese, that was one hell of a chicken fried rice.
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Ta
You realise I hope, that making sense and being informed, is grounds to be burnt at the stake around here aye!
Curmudgeon
The Irish?
The generally accepted date for Maori settlement is 1200-1300.
Moa's hit by lightning don't count...
Ta
This is quite interesting.
I really shouldn't be so lazy when it comes to educating myself about things...Ah fuck it. The more I know, the more confused I'll become!
Curmudgeon
From the Te Ara website:
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/history/page-1New Zealand has a shorter human history than any other country. The precise date of settlement is a matter of debate, but current understanding is that the first arrivals came from East Polynesia in the 13th century. It was not until 1642 that Europeans became aware the country existed.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_New_ZealandThe history of New Zealand dates back at least 700 years to when it was discovered and settled by Polynesians, who developed a distinct Māori culture centred on kinship links and land.
Herindoors works in a Museum, so I get to see quite a bit of this info...
One hell of a ride.
....as an exhibit.
Anarchic Wild Child
Absolutely !!! That's what's fun about it ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
"Generally accepted" is not proof .. it was once generally accepted that the earth was flat .. and that human beings could not travel at speeds greateer that 30mph .. because they would never get enough oxygen adn would die ... and so on ...
The bones werre found in caves with evidence of cooking fires ... and cooking marks on the bones.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Hardcore Biker
Hit by lightning
Anyway,there were several small groups of people around NZ before the arrival of Maori.
In Northland there is legend of them and bones ect have been found in other areas.
Where history goes further back with some Maori is that they are desended from the old people due to the assimilation that went on.
My great grandfather was a full blooded Ngapuhi paramount chief around Whangarei and he was said to be desended from the old people.
He would of seen his history as being longer than 1000 years.
Just saying.
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