Cyber spying is old news. Welcome to the cyber war end game

[mashman]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

Cannot spread again etc... Agreed in regards to looking at the 7 nations targeted in a different light. They rule using money. The solution to ending the rule is to stop using money. It ain't rocket science.

[pete376403]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

They do it by building a bigger data centre; http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...nsadatacenter/

[flyingcrocodile46]

What happened to your link

Whoops! Fixed now thanks, though I see you found it ok

[avgas]

The solution to ending the rule is to stop using money. It ain't rocket science.

Anymore.
In saying that ever wonder why Alaska built a big fuck off radio array.......and all the Russian moon landers crashed.

You like a good conspiracy theory don't ya. My control lecturer (Russian) once mentioned in passing that during the peak of the space race that Russians still preferred radio remote control to automated control. So moon landers would receive signals telling them how to land.
Americans became aware of this and made 3 big fuck off radio stations, and transmitted noise........only when the landers were due to land......therefore russian craft would head to moon, and when it got close enough would simply crash because it had no future instructions.

Apparently russian payback for this was what we now call a numbers station. Which would throw a curveball to the Americans. The "big buzzer" or UVB-76 becoming most notorious.
These were just weather/ion/temp/geo stations nothing more.......but became so "X-Filed" that rogue stations started up and kept throwing bigger curve balls.
Not sure how true it is. But good story regardless.

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

[Winston001]

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

Heh yeah, got the book out of the Otago University library 25 years ago which detailed the Jennifer Project. Fascinating stuff but as you say, little known. Funny thing is I found the book recently in my bookcase so returned it incognito.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0890967644

[mashman]

Anymore.
In saying that ever wonder why Alaska built a big fuck off radio array.......and all the Russian moon landers crashed.

You like a good conspiracy theory don't ya. My control lecturer (Russian) once mentioned in passing that during the peak of the space race that Russians still preferred radio remote control to automated control. So moon landers would receive signals telling them how to land.
Americans became aware of this and made 3 big fuck off radio stations, and transmitted noise........only when the landers were due to land......therefore russian craft would head to moon, and when it got close enough would simply crash because it had no future instructions.

Apparently russian payback for this was what we now call a numbers station. Which would throw a curveball to the Americans. The "big buzzer" or UVB-76 becoming most notorious.
These were just weather/ion/temp/geo stations nothing more.......but became so "X-Filed" that rogue stations started up and kept throwing bigger curve balls.
Not sure how true it is. But good story regardless.

When I was last in NY I caught this exibit - http://www.discoverytsx.com/exhibitions/spy
Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

That is a peach. Given the way they competed there's probably an element of truth in there somewhere, like most good conspiracy's. If only they had cooperated.

[Winston001]

They do it by building a bigger data centre; http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...nsadatacenter/

Yes, look I don't know. Maybe I'm naive and don't understand the extent of surveillance systems.

Under the Donnie Brasco surveillance cases the FBI collected 5 years in time of 24/7 taped conversations. That took them years and years to go through and pick out the tiny bits to justify RICO prosecutions.

Ok the FBI did not have sophisticated computers in 1981. But then they didn't have to include chat, msm, forums, skype, email, cellphones, and other methods of modern communication which I've ommitted.

Computers are very clever at finding keywords and patterns. The problem is humans are even more clever at avoiding them. Osama Bin Laden communicated through written messages delivered by couriers - it took the USA with all its satellites and mainframes ten years to track him down. That suggests that surveillance is an elephant trying to find the needle which is nearly but not quite impossible.

In other words the average person can fly under the radar forever because the elephant doesn't even notice you.

[Winston001]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.


Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?




So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

[Akzle]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.


Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?




So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

they can filter a lot of it by imposing criteria.
Ie, if youre an arab, korean, chinese, middle eastern etc.

Have i mentioned the kgb?

But i dont believe the capacity is there yet to monitor the full bandwidth of internet access.
Thats why we need to roll out high speed bb and fibre, so everything goes through one place.
Yay future!

[Akzle]

o. And osama, and his wmds


..bwahahahahahaaaaa.

The us is fucking stupid.

[mashman]

Dear Aunty Yashima, I have sent the two dozen oysters to you in Washington.

Dear Nephew Ephram, your aunt Pashma has arrived with her five children. They very much need skateboards and want to visit Microsoft. Are you able to help?

So what does the NSA make of the above? Washington DC or Washington State? Oysters are? Skateboards are...? Five children..?

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

Take a look at an iPhone. Now ask Siri a question. Before an answer can be given the program has to interpret what has been asked. It turns that question into 1's and 0's, figures out what you're asking, and the formulates an answer from 1's and 0's. It then returns that answer in the form of speech. That's a phone.

Extrapolate that to a bank of supercomputers and then ask yourself, would they be able to "understand" the above emails?

[Akzle]

Take a look at an iPhone. Now ask Siri a question. Before an answer can be given the program has to interpret what has been asked. It turns that question into 1's and 0's, figures out what you're asking, and the formulates an answer from 1's and 0's. It then returns that answer in the form of speech. That's a phone.

Extrapolate that to a bank of supercomputers and then ask yourself, would they be able to "understand" the above emails?

most things are transmitted as hex. The binary process is almost irrelevant.

But yes. Any shit you do on line is available for anyone else online, who is so inclined.
Air gap that shit.

[pete376403]

Was bloody good one. I had no idea about Hughes Glomar Explorer being a scam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

There was also a legitimate Glomar research boat - Challenger. (off topic) When I was doing my apprenticeship with GGH I was part of the team that reconditioned a pair (out of 10 or 12) of Caterpilar V12 engines while it was in Wellington back in the 70s. All of these engines drove generators for when it was drilling, The main ALCO engines were on the next deck down.
(And now back to our regularly scheduled program)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Challenger

[avgas]

The point I'm clumsily trying to make is that the NSA needs human intelligence to make sense of data and so far as I can work out they don't have anywhere near enough people. It would take a couple of million trained and trusted analysts to go through the data thrown up by the computers.

Thats where analysts and data scientists like myself come in.
Funny thing is people think this stuff is new - its not Librarians and Detectives have been doing this shit for years.

[avgas]

most things are transmitted as hex. The binary process is almost irrelevant.

But yes. Any shit you do on line is available for anyone else online, who is so inclined.
Air gap that shit.

Yes and No.

Still use binary a lot these days - especially when compacting data.
01 01 02 01 03 01...............0F 01
can become
01 0F 01
or even
FF

which is useless as HEX but if you know the algorithm and reverse it the bits are quite useful. e.g. turn all on
Likewise bitmaps, bit arrays, bit tables.........

Same with encryption algorithms and CRC's.

Every day I bash my head through a brick wall due to some moron stuffing up 0b10 with 0x10 etc
Binary heavily used with booleans (on/off/check/set/reset.....) and compacted for travel as HEX. Unless its hardwired/parallel, then bits are king.
But anything industrial control stuff usually had bit based code for a majority to make it simpler for the sparky's (Ladder or block bit logic). It is merely packed into HEX during data transmission due to protocol.

While I prefer to look at live comms in HEX, I usually have a sticky note with a hot list of bool to hex codes for stuff I am looking for. Or look at I/O in bool high/low rather than HEX for the whole card.