David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Coldrider]

Oh yes, the prints were released today, no secrets there.


Here is the thing which really annoys me though - the TV3 people did not talk to the police or ask for a response to these startling revelations before televising the show. I watched it and kept waiting for them to introduce another explanation or at least some sort of prosecution response. Journalists are trained to provide both sides but seemingly that gets forgotten...


“Police:

However, I am mindful that this theory has been put forward through a programme whose makers chose not to seek comment from police prior to broadcast, and who also refused to provide details about their story when approached by police on Tuesday.


“Had they done so then we would have pointed out that fingerprints had been presented in evidence and have always been available through the court to help them decide if their story stacked up.”

When the participants where discharging a .22 (the bain .22 i think), into a cannister and taking their thumbprints after reloading the cartridge, there was a blue commodore in the background, with led lights in the back window. Just saying, not everyone is fooled.

[Winston001]

When the participants where discharging a .22 (the bain .22 i think), into a cannister and taking their thumbprints after reloading the cartridge, there was a blue commodore in the background, with led lights in the back window. Just saying, not everyone is fooled.

Hang on. TV3 were only able to do the tests with the co-operation of the police and that's no secret. But what they did not do is show the police the intended documentary a week or two ago (they take months to put together) and ask for their response. It was shock journalism - and shoddy stuff.

Five people died at Every Street Dunedin. Five people who could have expected to live out their natural lives but for some reason they get forgotten in the hysteria over David's case. Five members of our community who were murdered. They deserve our respect and the dignity of considered discussion.

[Indoo]

\ there was a blue commodore in the background, with led lights in the back window. Just saying, not everyone is fooled.

I don't think courier post provides transportation and supervised access for murder weapons yet, which might explain the presence of a Police car.

Bit embarrassing for the T.V show involved, I bet they wish now they had made at least a pretense at presenting a balanced story.

[Winston001]

The TV3 doco adds an interesting question to the case although its not a gamebreaker IMHO. The thumbprint suggests scars not surface marks. For what its worth:



1. Full Bladder - originally this convinced me by itself. As a 50ish male it is impossible to imagine waking up and not taking a piss. Immediately. If you were nervous then you'd be up in the night and still need to urgently pee in the morning. Nevertheless a pathologist testified at the second trial that he autopsies deceased males with full bladders, so it is possible.




2. Computer message. This is a 50+ yr old man, a school teacher, in 1994, a man who grew up using a fountain pen, graduated to a ballpoint, and normally used chalk and a pencil. He murders his wife - then he murders his children whom he gave life to, and in the process has a fight with Stephen - then knowing David is due in the house any minute, he switches on the computer?? And waits for it to boot up so he can open the word processor to type a final message? Really? Would anybody here do that?

[BMWST?]

The TV3 doco adds an interesting question to the case although its not a gamebreaker IMHO. The thumbprint suggests scars not surface marks. For what its worth:



1. Full Bladder - originally this convinced me by itself. As a 50ish male it is impossible to imagine waking up and not taking a piss. Immediately. If you were nervous then you'd be up in the night and still need to urgently pee in the morning. Nevertheless a pathologist testified at the second trial that he autopsies deceased males with full bladders, so it is possible.


2. Computer message. This is a 50+ yr old man, a school teacher, in 1994, a man who grew up using a fountain pen, graduated to a ballpoint, and normally used chalk and a pencil. He murders his wife - then he murders his children whom he gave life to, and in the process has a fight with Stephen - then knowing David is due in the house any minute, he switches on the computer?? And waits for it to boot up so he can open the word processor to type a final message? Really? Would anybody here do that?

the second point is important.1994 computers are not the same as they are now,where every one has one and everyone uses them without thinking.Quite the opposite for a 50 yr old in 1994 i would think.

[F5 Dave]

? . . .


2. Computer message. This is a 50+ yr old man, a school teacher, in 1994, a man who grew up using a fountain pen, graduated to a ballpoint, and normally used chalk and a pencil. He murders his wife - then he murders his children whom he gave life to, and in the process has a fight with Stephen - then knowing David is due in the house any minute, he switches on the computer?? And waits for it to boot up so he can open the word processor to type a final message? Really? Would anybody here do that?

Far sooner than a teenage boy would do the washing

[Littleman]

Well I guess if we are to believe that this is a compelling clue overlooked proving David's innocence, we can some awkward moments between him and Karam in the near future.

[Erelyes]

Here is the thing which really annoys me though - the TV3 people did not talk to the police or ask for a response to these startling revelations before televising the show. I watched it and kept waiting for them to introduce another explanation or at least some sort of prosecution response. Journalists are trained to provide both sides but seemingly that gets forgotten...


“Police:

However, I am mindful that this theory has been put forward through a programme whose makers chose not to seek comment from police prior to broadcast, and who also refused to provide details about their story when approached by police on Tuesday.


“Had they done so then we would have pointed out that fingerprints had been presented in evidence and have always been available through the court to help them decide if their story stacked up.”

Yet a Police officer delivered the weapon in a Police vehicle for testing.

Perhaps he didn't clue any other officers up about what they were obviously trying to achieve by testing the weapon...

What I find annoying, is that they never showed somebody attempting to place these marks (using a mag) on another persons thumb. I would have though that'd be the first counter-argument to test the validity of, no?

[Berries]

Yeah. Nah.

[Mom]

*WHOOSH! The sound of irony going right over heads.

[oneofsix]

Yet a Police officer delivered the weapon in a Police vehicle for testing.

Perhaps he didn't clue any other officers up about what they were obviously trying to achieve by testing the weapon...

What I find annoying, is that they never showed somebody attempting to place these marks (using a mag) on another persons thumb. I would have though that'd be the first counter-argument to test the validity of, no?

That would be the typical position of once our mind is made up we can never be wrong and never change it because this would be seen as backing down and therefore weak. Perhaps if they were more open minded and consecrated on doing their job properly we wouldn't have these cock-ups by the cops and they might understand that having an open mind is a position of strength, sticking to your guns is just a stubborn mule.

[oneofsix]

Well I guess if we are to believe that this is a compelling clue overlooked proving David's innocence, we can some awkward moments between him and Karam in the near future.

More of a worry for the forensic experts and as they are the "professionals"

[Motig]

Certainly not a game breaker in my opinion.

[Paul in NZ]

Well from the little I have read on this the whole darn family were a little - erm - unusual... Relatively normal (as it lets just guess most of us here have NOT slaughtered our families this morning) people trying to second guess what the highly unusual Bains might or might not do is pointless...

Give him some money - on the condition he fucks off some place else and never appears in the media again and shoot anyone who ever brings up the case again forever...

[scissorhands]

Hang on. TV3 were only able to do the tests with the co-operation of the police and that's no secret. But what they did not do is show the police the intended documentary a week or two ago (they take months to put together) and ask for their response. It was shock journalism - and shoddy stuff.

Five people died at Every Street Dunedin. Five people who could have expected to live out their natural lives but for some reason they get forgotten in the hysteria over David's case. Five members of our community who were murdered. They deserve our respect and the dignity of considered discussion.

they also deserve good crime scene forensics