David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Erelyes]

See, the way I see it, we're asked to choose from two different scenarios.

On one hand, there's the idea that Robin Bain murdered four of his family members and then committed suicide while David was out on his paper run, and on the other hand there's the idea that David Bain murdered four of his family members, then went on his paper run (all the while risking his father coming into the house and discovering the crime), then came home and hid behind a curtain in the alcove and waited for his father to come into the lounge to pray, then shot him.

I know which sounds more plausible to me.

To me it seems implausible that Robin decided David deserved to live, yet also decided that he'd remove evidence of his crimes - with it not once crossing his mind that David'll get the rap.

I personally wonder why the prosecution ruled out David having done the deeds after he returned home from the paper run. 24 minutes is a lot of time.

[Katman]

I personally wonder why the prosecution ruled out David having done the deeds after he returned home from the paper run. 24 minutes is a lot of time.

Clearly the prosecution didn't think killing 5 people and attempting to clean up after the fact could be performed in that time frame.

[scumdog]

You're probably not too far off their mark.

Not caring about cover-ups is a good start.

There's a cover-up somewhere?

One I should care about?

I'm off to the ANZAC thread to see if I can find the cover-up...

[Erelyes]

Clearly the prosecution didn't think killing 5 people and attempting to clean up after the fact could be performed in that time frame.

Well yes, but it'd be interesting to know why.

If he did do it, he didn't do much if any cleanup anyway (Bloodied Gondoliers jersey was only sponged; bloodied gloves left in situ; rifle prints not wiped etc).

Either of the current theories have enough holes in em, such that David was found not guilty when given a proper trial, and any posthumous trial of Robin would surely find him not guilty too.

[Katman]

Bloodied Gondoliers jersey was only sponged......

And bear in mind that, according to the defence, the jersey belonged to Robin Bain and was too small for David.

[Swoop]

Not that time, we didn't really start using them as aprofession until about 10 years ago, and most of the older teachers didn't even know how to turn them on. As little as five years ago most schoolteachers were still hand writing reports. Teaching as a profession was one of the last to embrace ICT

There were computers appearing in high schools in 1982. Not sure when a school in butt-fuck nowhere would have received some though...

Is there only one way to load a magazine though?

No. There are many ways to load a magazine. A person might use several different methods, depending on the type of mag. I load a rotary (1022 style) mag differently to a straight one. There are also different types of .22lr straight magazine, as some have a small "knob" sticking out of one side that allows the feed spring to be compressed, easing loading of each round.

See, the way I see it, we're asked to choose from two different scenarios.

On one hand, there's the idea that Robin Bain murdered four of his family members and then committed suicide while David was out on his paper run, and on the other hand there's the idea that David Bain murdered four of his family members, then went on his paper run (all the while risking his father coming into the house and discovering the crime), then came home and hid behind a curtain in the alcove and waited for his father to come into the lounge to pray, then shot him.

I know which sounds more plausible to me.

I am left wondering about the prosecution's theory that DB shot 4 people, THEN went and did his paper run, returned and shot Robin. Leaving bodies to be found if RB got up earlier than expected?
A rather odd scenario, to say the least, that would require two "cleanups" (one before the paper-run and another before calling the cops after killing RB) that would take time.

[unstuck]

[scissorhands]

David can never be guilty, Joe Karam has stacked the very core of his existence on it.

Every now and then nature seems to throw up some freakish murderer/spree/serial killer

USA seems to have more than its fair share
And many more Americans believe in Jesus too

Jesus saves

[unstuck]

David can never be guilty, Joe Karam has stacked the very core of his existence on it.

Every now and then nature seems to throw up some freakish murderer/spree/serial killer

USA seems to have more than its fair share
And many more Americans believe in Jesus too

Jesus saves

[Banditbandit]

Jesus saves

[gwigs]

.........

[Banditbandit]

[unstuck]

[Banditbandit]

Tui ad

"You must spread ... "

[Erelyes]

And bear in mind that, according to the defence, the jersey belonged to Robin Bain and was too small for David.

Yes, the Green one was Robin's (or Arawa's), not David's. But the Gondoliers one was his. At the risk of quoting counterspin (can't find the original source of the court transcript)

http://davidbain.counterspin.co.nz/e...ndaliers-shirt

Edit: http://www.nzlii.org/cgi-bin/sinodis.../2003/294.html search 'Gondoliers'