David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Mushu]

Not recent.
15+ years ago

No, not me

And next thing we'd need to carry certified watches, checked for accuracy for +- a milli-second.

I'll make a further assumption based on this post that there has been no change in procedure regarding timekeeping

And yes I believe cops should carry half decent watches, there should be some degree of accuracy required and a central clock they can use to check their watches (according to the bain literature, the detective manual current in 1994 required each station to maintain a clock set to telecom time)

[scissorhands]

and for the third time in this thread I ask:

why was the computer keyboard not dusted for prints???

[Katman]

and for the third time in this thread I ask:

why was the computer keyboard not dusted for prints???

Maybe it was and it didn't fit the prosecution's case.

[Mushu]

and for the third time in this thread I ask:

why was the computer keyboard not dusted for prints???

Probably being that it was the family computer and would likely have had the prints of both David and Robin on it anyway

[scissorhands]

Maybe it was and it didn't fit the prosecution's case.

thats what I thought too....

[scissorhands]

Probably being that it was the family computer and would likely have had the prints of both David and Robin on it anyway

A key being a small area of surface, I would imagine that the last print would be more obvious, being all on top of each other

I may be wrong, but I would hazard keyboard fingerprint evidence to be strong evidence...

[Banditbandit]

Probably being that it was the family computer and would likely have had the prints of both David and Robin on it anyway

And maybe because computer keyboards are no good for fingerprints?

First of all, put one of your fingrs on the key and see which part of the surface area actually touches the keys .. for me it is the tips of my fingers .. whoch would not give any sort of print that is acceptable for evidence ..

And second, many keys are not flat surfaces - making it even less likely that you get evidential prints from a keyboard ...

[scissorhands]

the sides and top of a mouse yield complete prints...

[Drew]

Are you suggesting that if I put baking soda and vinegar together I will get a nuclear reaction? You are an idiot.
Chemical reactions create new compounds, nuclear fission creates new elements, there is a huge difference.

Tell me, if mistakes made by the cops are so heavily scrutinized why is it scumdogs example (which I assume is relatively recent) is about timekeeping issues which is also a major factor in the bain case almost 20 years ago. It seems pretty easy to have every cop carry an accurate watch and to record seconds where it makes a difference as in both those examples. My watch (a basic g shock) picks up about 1 minute a year meaning I would only have to adjust it once every 2 months to keep it within 10 seconds accuracy (which I think would be quite acceptable)

I did amend my post stating that all violent chemical reactions were atoms splitting. Yes, I am an idiot.

I understood Scumdog's example to be quite historical.

The cop's watches aren't in any way relevant to the Bain case. Witnesses were the ones giving times, not the five oh.

The accuracy of the fucking watch, was never the issue in the drink driving case either. A lawyer managed to convince a judge, that the time was not RECORDED accurately enough, as per the regulations. It was only a possibility that the correct amount of time was not adhered, by up to a maximum of 1m58s by my reckoning.

In this perfect world you want the cops to live, (which would make them all redundant I might bloody add), how do they all synchronise their watches? Would it need to be law that anyone giving evidence in a case must have their watch synchronised also?

I'm happy that you are happy with your watch, good buying on your part.

[Katman]

I just picked up a book today at the local Book Fair called 'Bain and Beyond' by Joe Karam.

Here's what it says on the back.....

Like most New Zealanders Joe Karam believed that all citizens would be treated fairly and equally under the law, and that the system was essentially just and fair. What he discovered in fact was a labyrinth of politics, personal egos and a court system almost designed to thwart justice.

I shall keep you informed.

[Drew]

I hadn't realised there was a whole extra page when I wrote my last post. It had all been said already.

Maybe it was and it didn't fit the prosecution's case.

Furthering the need for conspiracy, (are you getting a hardon yet?), since the legal system we have requires full disclosure from both prosecutors, and defence lawyers prior to anything being allowed in court.

thats what I thought too....

If I didn't know the world was full of morons without any cerebral impairment, I'd be making more jokes right now.

[Edbear]

I did amend my post stating that all violent chemical reactions were atoms splitting. Yes, I am an idiot.

I understood Scumdog's example to be quite historical.

The cop's watches aren't in any way relevant to the Bain case. Witnesses were the ones giving times, not the five oh.

The accuracy of the fucking watch, was never the issue in the drink driving case either. A lawyer managed to convince a judge, that the time was not RECORDED accurately enough, as per the regulations. It was only a possibility that the correct amount of time was not adhered, by up to a maximum of 1m58s by my reckoning.

In this perfect world you want the cops to live, (which would make them all redundant I might bloody add), how do they all synchronise their watches? Would it need to be law that anyone giving evidence in a case must have their watch synchronised also?

I'm happy that you are happy with your watch, good buying on your part.

The cop was asked an impossible question. How can anyone be 100% certain his timing was perfectly accurate? What is 10sec in reality? The judge should have reprimanded the defense lawyer for being an idiot...

[Drew]

I shall keep you informed.

Please don't...Seriously.

Some of us have read it already, and even you are going to have to admit it's piss poorly written, with a very fucken clear bias.

The other book, 'The Mask Of Sanity' by James McNeish, is much better written, edited, and less biased if not unbiased. I have only skimmed a couple of chapters though to tell the truth, but it'd need to change fairly drastically in tone to make my assessment wrong.

[Drew]

The judge should have reprimanded the defense lawyer for being an idiot...

Here, we are at odds.

If a lawyer of mine thought of the same argument, and did not try it or at least talk to me about it, I would be fucken wild.

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He must do what he legally can, in my defense. The Lawyer nor the judge had any choice. The writers of the procedure are the only ones at fault...And the cunt driving pissed.

[Mushu]

I did amend my post stating that all violent chemical reactions were atoms splitting. Yes, I am an idiot.

I understood Scumdog's example to be quite historical.

The cop's watches aren't in any way relevant to the Bain case. Witnesses were the ones giving times, not the five oh.

The accuracy of the fucking watch, was never the issue in the drink driving case either. A lawyer managed to convince a judge, that the time was not RECORDED accurately enough, as per the regulations. It was only a possibility that the correct amount of time was not adhered, by up to a maximum of 1m58s by my reckoning.

In this perfect world you want the cops to live, (which would make them all redundant I might bloody add), how do they all synchronise their watches? Would it need to be law that anyone giving evidence in a case must have their watch synchronised also?

I'm happy that you are happy with your watch, good buying on your part.

Still an idiot, atoms exchange electrons all the time, they are not splitting when they do so.

The cops watches are major factors in the bain case, given witnesses had their clocks checked for accuracy by the cops watches and the computer was also checked in relation to a cops watch (both different watches, the computer was tested with a watch without a second hand and with markings in 5 minute increments)

Both cases show the need for cops to be able to accurately measure time, to the nearest 5 minutes is not nearly close enough.

In my 'perfect world' the police would maintain a clock set to telecom time in every station and the cops would be required to check their watches against this at a pre-determined interval (which would be based on the accuracy of the watch)

The police check witnesses clocks for accuracy when it is relevant to their testimony.

I am happy with my watch, but I pointed it out to illustrate that even a relatively cheap watch can be sufficiently accurate.