David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[scumdog]

The Luminol tests performed on Robin Bain were ruled inadmissible due to the popo not following established crime scene procedure of covering the hands in plastic. There could well have been gunpowder residue present but due to the popo incompetence we'll never know.

Fail.

Away getting more donuts at the time they were..,

It's all about priorities - and donuts won

[Katman]

Away getting more donuts at the time they were..,

It's all about priorities - and donuts won

That would possibly be funny.....


.....if we thought you were joking.

[Katman]

It's also a strong indictment against the police that two of them chose to sue Joe Karam for defamation for his portrayal of their incompetence and both lost their cases entirely.

[scumdog]

That would possibly be funny.....


.....if we thought you were joking.

I don't joke about donuts!

[unstuck]

You need these scummy.

[Mushu]

I don't joke about donuts!

Of course not, its your job that's the joke to you guys.

[scumdog]

Of course not, its your job that's the joke to you guys.

True.

Lucky there's enough idiots out there doing dumb shit to keep us laughing.

[oneofsix]

True.

Lucky there's enough idiots out there doing dumb shit to keep us laughing.

Glad to help, pity about idiots sharing your donuts.

[scumdog]

Glad to help, pity about idiots sharing your donuts.

There's idiots sneaking in and stealing our donuts?

No wonder our salary doesn't go as far as it should...

[Erelyes]

Who do you think wrote the procedure Drew? A fucking police officer, that'll be who. Even if procedures are clearly established, it's up to police management to ensure procedures are being maintained and procedures followed. Big fucking fail.

Really? A big fucking fail to assume
1) That 'ten minutes' actually means 'no less than ten minutes' (who knows, perhaps it says this in legislation)
2) That rounding '9 minutes 50 seconds' to '10 minutes' will make any consequential difference to a persons BAC, attitude towards needles, which test they think they have the best chance of passing, etc
3) That the judge would rather let a drink-driver walk cos of 10 missed seconds.

Cops are taught all the time to use 'common sense' and 'fair judgement'. Hence the guy I know that was riding a 750cc cruiser on his R's with one week til he was gonna sit his full and got nothing but a warning.

And from my public sector experience I wouldn't 'assume' it was a cop that wrote the procedures anyhoo.

Come on Drew, even you can tell the fucking time & write it down on a piece of paper.

I think it's more a matter of interpretation, rather than counting to 10... Here's a thought. It was a digital clock mayhaps. Y'know, it said 10.20, then it said 10.30. That's fucking arithmetic, that is. But not good enough for le judge of the day, who felt like following not only the letter of the law but the font too.

[Madness]

Really? A big fucking fail to assume
1) That 'ten minutes' actually means 'no less than ten minutes' (who knows, perhaps it says this in legislation)

Ten minutes does mean exactly that you pillock. It doesn't mean half a fucking hour now, does it? Time is a standardized concept all over the world that transcends race, religion, language and location. The law would not need to be any clearer at all if it stated "ten minutes" because every English-language speaking person over the mental age of 6 would understand. It's a pity the popo and people like yourself just can't grasp such a simplistic concept.

2) That rounding '9 minutes 50 seconds' to '10 minutes' will make any consequential difference to a persons BAC, attitude towards needles, which test they think they have the best chance of passing, etc

It matters not one iota what difference the ten seconds you refer to makes to any of the issues you speak of. It's written in law with the intent to provide a person rights when being dealt with by popo. To think it has anything at all to do with these issues is in fact a fail on your part.

3) That the judge would rather let a drink-driver walk cos of 10 missed seconds.

I'm sorry, did I state such a thing? I think not. The Judges personal preferences do not come into it at all. They are doing a job which is clearly set out for them in law. Once the popo failed to confirm that the statuory 10 minute period had been observed it was a black & white case... of fail.

Cops are taught all the time to use 'common sense' and 'fair judgement'. Hence the guy I know that was riding a 750cc cruiser on his R's with one week til he was gonna sit his full and got nothing but a warning.

Yay, that's really cool. Did you guys hug afterwards?

And from my public sector experience I wouldn't 'assume' it was a cop that wrote the procedures anyhoo.

You're right, I seem to recall reading that all Police internal operating procedures are written & maintained by officials form the Ministry of Foreign Affairs & Trade, or was it the Ministry of Education?

If it wasn't a sworn popo it will have still been an employee of the Minister of Police, more than likely a task-force with extremely high overheads.

I think it's more a matter of interpretation, rather than counting to 10... Here's a thought. It was a digital clock mayhaps. Y'know, it said 10.20, then it said 10.30. That's fucking arithmetic, that is. But not good enough for le judge of the day, who felt like following not only the letter of the law but the font too.

Your "public sector experience" had fuck all to do with our criminal justice system, did it?

You also never answered my earlier question. Are you a Joho?

[Pex Adams]

Fact - Drew did not split the atom in his Kitchen
Fact - Scumdog did not read learn how to read a watch at Popo school
Fact - You're all a bunch of failures for not solving the reason why Robin kill Scott Guy - the surely was no motive?!

[Madness]

Fact - You're all a bunch of failures for not solving the reason why Robin kill Scott Guy - the surely was no motive?!

Old news. Robin was apparently fucking the Labrador & the missing pups were his love-children.

Sharpen up.

[Erelyes]

Ten minutes does mean exactly that you pillock. It doesn't mean half a fucking hour now, does it? Time is a standardized concept all over the world that transcends race, religion, language and location. The law would not need to be any clearer at all if it stated "ten minutes" because every English-language speaking person over the mental age of 6 would understand. It's a pity the popo and people like yourself just can't grasp such a simplistic concept.

X: 'what time do you make it?'
Y: 'ten to'
X: 'odd. my watch says nine and a half to'

You seem to have difficulty understanding that "ten minutes" could mean 'no less than ten minutes' or it could mean 'between 9.5 and 10.5 minutes'.

I'm sorry, did I state such a thing? I think not. The Judges personal preferences do not come into it at all. They are doing a job which is clearly set out for them in law. Once the popo failed to confirm that the statuory 10 minute period hadn't been observed it was a black & white case.. of fail.

So each and every judge would rule the same in such a case? You seem to think that only infallible humans become judges. We need more Judge Judys in NZ, I know what she'd have said to this shit... what every other common sense law abiding citizen would've.

If it wasn't a sworn popo it will have still been an employee of the Minister of Police, more than likely a task-force with extremely high overheads.

'Blah blah blah' you have zero fucking idea, don't you?

Your "public sector experience" had fuck all to do with our criminal justice system, did it?

Of course it had fuckall to do with it, according to your standards if I was a cop or a lawyer I would be too busy being infallible to worry about posting in here.

You also never answered my earlier question. Are you a Joho?

Wow. You actually bothered asking again.

[Madness]

X: 'what time do you make it?'
Y: 'ten to'
X: 'odd. my watch says nine and a half to'

You seem to have difficulty understanding that "ten minutes" could mean 'no less than ten minutes' or it could mean 'between 9.5 and 10.5 minutes'.

You are a fuckwit.

So each and every judge would rule the same in such a case? You seem to think that only infallible humans become judges. We need more Judge Judys in NZ, I know what she'd have said to this shit... what every other common sense law abiding citizen would've.

You watch too much Judge Judy. And you're a fuckwit.

'Blah blah blah' you have zero fucking idea, don't you?

I've formed a few ideas about you. You're a fuckwit.

Of course it had fuckall to do with it, according to your standards if I was a cop or a lawyer I would be too busy being infallible to worry about posting in here.

So your public service experience has as much relevance to this thread as the experience of say, a toilet cleaner. You're a fuckwit.

Wow. You actually bothered asking again.

And still you haven't answered. I'm going to go with guilty by association as there's only one other KB member who's as much of a fuckwit as you & he's a Joho too.