David Bain vs The Crown - game over

**98tls** · 11th July 2013, 20:52

Originally Posted by oldrider

This thread reads about as convincing as the official case files and together they are indicative that this country is a bloody legal mess .. God help us!

Still...its at least a way of avoiding Coronation Street,though at times i could swear Kirks online.

**Winston001** · 11th July 2013, 23:29

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Quite easy actually. Like in the Bain case and several others our appeal system doesn't ask them to consider the original evidence but rather the legal process or if new evidence presented would possibly have changed the out come in their legal opinion.

Not really.

Appeals are not and can never be retrials. Instead they are an examination of the case to see if there are any obvious flaws. For example, a jury which decided guilty for a drug grower because he didn't understand the difference between seed tomatoes and grafted tomatoes. The dope plants grew like grafted toms but there was no evidence about the differences. The jury just knew about it, applied common sense, and convicted.

No good. Retrial.

Most appeals are on points of law - judge gave wrong instructions to the jury or misinterpreted the law. On rare occassions it can be argued that the weight of evidence was against conviction and the jury got it wrong. Damned hard to prove.

Whatever. Usually if an appeal is successful there is a new trial, so the accused does not get to walk.

**korimako1** · 12th July 2013, 09:14

Originally Posted by Mushu

Better they have an unsolved case than send an innocent man to prison over it, imagine if you were implicated in a murder and had no alibi (maybe sitting home watching TV that night) you'd have to be shit scared, can't really trust the police to even continue following other leads once they decide your the one.

absolutely, bad things happen to good people. Be afraid, be very afraid.

**scumdog** · 12th July 2013, 12:31

Originally Posted by korimako1

absolutely, bad things happen to good people. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Pfft, half a century plus and still haven't experienced what a 'bad thing' is...

**Drew** · 12th July 2013, 12:35

Originally Posted by scumdog

Pfft, half a century plus and still haven't experienced what a 'bad thing' is...

You are a bad man though.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 12th July 2013, 13:29

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/joe-kar...-in-bain-home/

BREAKING NEWS

Originally Posted by The Civilian

In what witnesses are describing as a horrific scene, former All Black Joe Karam has been found dead this morning along with a number of other prominent Bain supporters, including lawyer Michael Reed and retired Canadian judge Ian Binnie, in the Christchurch home of David Bain.

**Katman** · 12th July 2013, 13:32

One of The Civilian's weaker attempts.

**Banditbandit** · 12th July 2013, 13:34

Originally Posted by scumdog

Pfft, half a century plus and still haven't experienced what a 'bad thing' is...

**korimako1** · 12th July 2013, 16:27

Originally Posted by scumdog

Pfft, half a century plus and still haven't experienced what a 'bad thing' is...

simple answer is that perhaps you are not a good person.
Or you are lucky, there are many people out there who experience 'bad things', it doesn't have to be being fitted up for something they haven't done. perhaps you have a short memory or a selective one.

**Banditbandit** · 12th July 2013, 16:30

Originally Posted by korimako1

simple answer is that obviously you are not a good person.

Naaa .. he's a cop ...

**korimako1** · 12th July 2013, 16:39

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Naaa .. he's a cop ...

Of course, blinkers.

**scumdog** · 12th July 2013, 19:17

Originally Posted by korimako1

simple answer is that perhaps you are not a good person.
Or you are lucky, there are many people out there who experience 'bad things', it doesn't have to be being fitted up for something they haven't done. perhaps you have a short memory or a selective one.

Nah, I guess I'm lucky - not Lotto-winning lucky but still managed to slip past shit that has nailed others.
And my memory ain't short not selective.

Mind you, some of the shit I've had COULD be construed as 'bad things' but my attitude kinda overcame them...

**Littleman** · 12th July 2013, 19:26

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Bain sympathisers keep our media friends in business, and happy.

**Smifffy** · 12th July 2013, 20:28

Originally Posted by Mom

I once laid a complaint with our local plod regarding a sick fuck attempting to get in the pants of my young son. Paid for new phone, top up cards, airline tickets for a boyhood dream holiday for him etc. Rides to his holiday home for swims in his pool...

(Etc. removed for brevity before the mods do it)

Apparently that will be the cops fault. Still I bet that if the sick fuck met an untimely, nasty, violent end, and you had no good alibi, and they decided to put you in the frame, the fact that you had gone to the cops earlier and had received no satisfaction would be front and centre in the case against you.

That's how this shit really works.