David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Banditbandit]

To get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, all the evidence, taken in context must point to the same person or be attributable to that person. Meteor's post raised questions that cannot be ignored or dismissed.

Very good point ... let's put Robin Bain on trial in front of a jury then ...

[oneofsix]

It always fired the 1st shot OK.

Did it? Where is the proof of that? Perhaps it was the misfire that woke Steven because he had used the gun and the sound trigger a response in his sleeping brain whereas the it didn't in the females because they didn't know what that faint sound was so to them it was just another night sound to ignore.

Actually wasn't there evidence that the sister had woken before being shot? Was the real difference that Steven fought whereas she tried to protect herself?

Are you sure you weren't or aren't on the murder squad with that quality of guessing.

[Banditbandit]

Certainly in the case of Robin Bain, how could he be possibly convicted on all the evidence available?

I'll have to refresh my memory on the reason for David being aquitted unless someone can post a link to the case? If there was not enough evidence to get a conviction beyond reasonable doubt, and for the Privy Council to squash his conviction and order a retrial, was it because the evidence said he was innocent, or was it for matters of procedure and technicalities of law?

The verdict was quashed because the Privy Council did not consider that the evidence showed David Bain was guilty beyond reasonable doubt .. the second trial said exactly the same thing.

Considering ALL the evidence we have access to, balance of such would say David was guilty. We hear a lot of how Joe Karam claims David is innocent but have we got access to the actual evidence for him saying that?

On balance is not strong enough to convict - previously, as I have said, I had no idea ... I do not believe there was enough evidence to convict David or to convict Robin (if he had lived) .. it was an unknown ..

Now I am sure Robin did it .. which means David is innocent

[scumdog]

Did it? Where is the proof of that? Perhaps it was the misfire that woke Steven because he had used the gun and the sound trigger a response in his sleeping brain whereas the it didn't in the females because they didn't know what that faint sound was so to them it was just another night sound to ignore.

Actually wasn't there evidence that the sister had woken before being shot? Was the real difference that Steven fought whereas she tried to protect herself?

Are you sure you weren't or aren't on the murder squad with that quality of guessing.

Hmm 5 guesses/conjectures to my 1 (and it was based on the weapon being fired last night)

So OK, you win.

[98tls]

Bored with this lets go back to the washing,why the fuck did he do the washing? Must indeed be quite a shock to come home to a dead family but doing something as drastic as washing

[Bassmatt]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130569778]My answer to Meteer's post is that this new evidence proves Robin Bain fired the gun that morning. That completely over rides any other circumstantial evidence.[/QUOTE

No it doesn't. If it proves anything, it is that he loaded one of the magazines, that is all.
Do we even know if both magazines were used that morning?

[Maha]

I take it those who now have Robin as the killer without doubt because of one single photograph, have also seen the other crime scene photographs totalling around 2000?

Ed may have had a point earlier, using the word conspiracy. At least this one would have merit...could it be that Joe Karam came up with the idea after seeing the photo in question. I recall (afater watching the programme last night) how that chap who had the photo on his laptop, came by it in the first place. He did say that ''he had had no real interest or knowledge of the Bain crime prior'' so why would he have been looking at that particular photo?
Keeping in mind that it had to be super enlarged to really see what he saw, in the normal photograph.

[oneofsix]

Bored with this lets go back to the washing,why the fuck did he do the washing? Must indeed be quite a shock to come home to a dead family but doing something as drastic as washing

Who gives a fuck? Why do other people in similar states of shock do equally seemingly weird things? Because we are complicated creatures.
Doesn't change the powder marks on Robin's thumbs showing he had loaded a used magazine since he had last cleaned his hands.

[Madness]

I recall (afater watching the programme last night) how that chap who had the photo on his laptop, came by it in the first place. He did say that ''he had had no real interest or knowledge of the Bain crime prior'' so why would he have been looking at that particular photo?
Keeping in mind that it had to be super enlarged to really see what he saw, in the normal photograph.

Actually, the trainspotter said he had no interest in the case prior to 2009, after which he developed a very keen interest in the case. He was reading what he called "internet arguments" about the case - how odd.

I take it those who have now have Robin as the killer without doubt because of one single photograph, have also seen the other crime scene photographs totalling around 2000?

None of these 2,000 photographs have shown anything able to uphold the convictions so what's your point?

Sharpen up Mark!

Ed may have had a point earlier...

There is a first time for everything they say but I don't think today is that day.

[Banditbandit]

Bored bored bored .. close minded doppy fuckers will always be close minded dopey fuckers

(Unfortunately some of them become police officers ..

[98tls]

Who gives a fuck? Why do other people in similar states of shock do equally seemingly weird things? Because we are complicated creatures.
Doesn't change the powder marks on Robin's thumbs showing he had loaded a used magazine since he had last cleaned his hands.

I fucking do,there was blood on and in the washing machine,Bain admitted he did the washing,actually in the laundry there blood even on the washing powder packet and other places i cant recall and cant be naffed looking up.Shocks one thing,doing the washing

[Maha]

None of these 2,000 photographs have shown anything able to uphold the convictions so what's your point?

Sharpen up Mark!

That was the very point that out of all those crime scene photos (to be honest, they must have had some sway at the first trial right?) eventually... they (in all probability) proved nothing to the second Jury.

Don't be so blunt Chris.

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Bassmatt;1130569794]

My answer to Meteer's post is that this new evidence proves Robin Bain fired the gun that morning. That completely over rides any other circumstantial evidence.[/QUOTE

No it doesn't. If it proves anything, it is that he loaded one of the magazines, that is all.
Do we even know if both magazines were used that morning?

Doesn't even prove that - it is only a vague possibility..

[scumdog]

Bored bored bored .. close minded doppy fuckers will always be close minded dopey fuckers

(Unfortunately some of them become police officers ..

AND get paid for being one!!

[Madness]

That was the very point that out of all those crime scene photos (to be honest, they must have had some sway at the first trial right?) eventually... they (in all probability) proved nothing to the second Jury.

Don't be so blunt Chris.

Still failing to see your point. Mind you, you believe Ed's making points so what is a point to you might just be bollocks to others.

I'll stop being blunt when you stop making things up.