David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[meteor]

Do you really think that the Court of Appeal would order a retrial, and then that retrial return a Not Guilty verdict, if there wasn't reasonable doubt?

Appellant courts don't examine all evidence adduced at trial rather finding on the points of law or process appealed against.
A NG verdict was not surprising with the limited evidence and directions given to the jury.
Anyone who thinks the justice system is just is living in a bubble. And a NG verdict is not a finding of innocence... Law 101

There is one person alive that knows what the truth is what did he say at trial, oh yeah...

[oneofsix]

who killed Robin?

The sparrow with his little bow and arrow.

[Katman]

And a NG verdict is not a finding of innocence... Law 101

Yes, we've already covered that.

Do try to keep up.

[Indoo]

Maybe he was sitting on the floor next to the magazine when he shot himself.

No, and the defense case relied upon him contorting his body and using a chair or standing over the rifle in order to manage to shoot himself.

Either the magazine falling and landing on its edge, or his body falling with his fingers touching it, are equally implausible and would be impossible to replicate in reality.

[scissorhands]

when David meets his dad in the afterlife
I bet he'll have something to say to him

[Winston001]

Robin's (deceased) fingerprints were taken. The police have today said:

"We know for example that Robin Bain was doing work to the roof and spouting of his Every Street home in the days leading up to the killings - any Kiwi handyman knows the sort of damage this can do to the hands. Post mortem examination of Robin Bain's hands show a number of minor abrasions and marks you would expect to find with someone familiar with manual work.

"Indeed, police have today conducted a preliminary examination of fingerprints taken from Robin Bain after his death. These prints show an absence of fingerprint markings in the same place on his right thumb as the dark marks appearing in the photograph. Our fingerprint experts advise that this is consistent with someone sustaining cuts or damage to the fingers prior to prints being taken, which would then affect the print image."

[Virago]

when david meets his dad in the afterlife
i bet he'll have something to say to him

"Bang...!"

[Katman]

Robin's (deceased) fingerprints were taken. The police have today said:

"We know for example that Robin Bain was doing work to the roof and spouting of his Every Street home in the days leading up to the killings - any Kiwi handyman knows the sort of damage this can do to the hands. Post mortem examination of Robin Bain's hands show a number of minor abrasions and marks you would expect to find with someone familiar with manual work.

"Indeed, police have today conducted a preliminary examination of fingerprints taken from Robin Bain after his death. These prints show an absence of fingerprint markings in the same place on his right thumb as the dark marks appearing in the photograph. Our fingerprint experts advise that this is consistent with someone sustaining cuts or damage to the fingers prior to prints being taken, which would then affect the print image."

So the coroner took detailed photos of every mark on Robin Bain's hands but not the 'cuts' on his thumb?

[Madness]

These prints show an absence of fingerprint markings in the same place on his right thumb as the dark marks appearing in the photograph. Our fingerprint experts advise that this is consistent with someone sustaining cuts or damage to the fingers prior to prints being taken, which would then affect the print image."

I wonder when they'll release the fingerprint images behind this statement?

Who are their fingerprint experts?, J. Collins & A. Tolley?

[Indoo]

You mean aside from fingerprint images that have been all over the news this afternoon?

[Bassmatt]

So the coroner took detailed photos of every mark on Robin Bain's hands but not the 'cuts' on his thumb?

I wonder when they'll release the fingerprint images behind this statement?

Who are their fingerprint experts?, J. Collins & A. Tolley?

TV3 showed the thumbprint, I think it was Campbell Live.
One of the marks on Robins thumb showed up pretty strongly on the print.

[Winston001]

Oh yes, the prints were released today, no secrets there.


Here is the thing which really annoys me though - the TV3 people did not talk to the police or ask for a response to these startling revelations before televising the show. I watched it and kept waiting for them to introduce another explanation or at least some sort of prosecution response. Journalists are trained to provide both sides but seemingly that gets forgotten...


“Police:

However, I am mindful that this theory has been put forward through a programme whose makers chose not to seek comment from police prior to broadcast, and who also refused to provide details about their story when approached by police on Tuesday.


“Had they done so then we would have pointed out that fingerprints had been presented in evidence and have always been available through the court to help them decide if their story stacked up.”

[Madness]

You mean aside from fingerprint images that have been all over the news this afternoon?

Post a link or an image then, smarty-pants. I've not seen 'em and after 10 minutes of searching TV3 on-demand I can't be arsed.

[oneofsix]

Post a link or an image then, smarty-pants. I've not seen 'em and after 10 minutes of searching TV3 on-demand I can't be arsed.

Try the herald

[Madness]

This it?

I'd like to see the same test as shown on the show last night followed by fingerprinting done some time after. That would be an interesting comparison.