Who bought the Sarin gas into Syria?

[flyingcrocodile46]

If El Qaeda bought the Saran gas into Syria (probably the same cache as was recovered from Iraq that was left over from the supplies that Rumsfield gave to Sadam), why are the US and Nato accusing Assad of using the chemical weapons?

Why are Nato and the US helping El Qaeda take over Syria?

http://larouchepac.com/node/26795

Al Nusra Caught with Sarin Gas in Turkey
June 1, 2013 • 9:05AM
It is now confirmed that it is the Syrian opposition that is using poison gas. According to the Turkish daily, Today's Zaman and other Turkish media, seven members of the al-Qaeda-linked terror group al-Nusra were detained on May 29 after police found 2 kilograms of sarin gas, which was being prepared to be used in a bomb attack. The 12 suspects were arrested following a search of their houses in southern provinces of Adana and Mersin May 27. They were said to have been planning an attack in Adana on May 31. Police also discovered hand guns, grenades, and ammunition.

Qatar behind transfer of chemicals to Syria militants: Report

Syrians gather near a hospital following a deadly chemical attack in the city of Aleppo on March 19, 2013.
Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:40PM GMT


On May 30, Turkish media reported that two kilograms of sarin gas as well as heavy weapons had been discovered during raids on the homes of 12 members of the al-Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front in Turkey’s southern city of Adana, located some 150 kilometers (93 miles) from the border with Syria."


A new report has revealed that chemical arms used by Takfiri militants in an attack near Syria’s northwestern province of Aleppo in March had been provided by two Qatari officers through Turkey.


According to a Saturday report by the Lebanese newspaper al-Akhbar, Qatari officers Fahd Saeed al-Hajiri and Faleh Bin Khalid al-Tamimi were behind the transfer of chemical substances to anti-Syria militants through Ankara.

The Qatari officers were later killed in a suspicious explosion in Somalia in May, the report said.

On March 19, over two dozen people were killed and many others injured when foreign-backed militants fired missiles containing a chemical substance into the Khan al-Assal region in the northwestern city of Aleppo, Syria’s official news agency SANA reported.

http://www.albawaba.com/news/syria-rebels-sarin-489607

UN has testimony Syrian rebels used sarin gas
Published May 6th, 2013 - 09:14 GMT via SyndiGate.info



Carla del Ponte speaking at a press conference in February 2013 (Fabrice Coffrini/AFP)


The UN has gathered testimony that Syrian rebels have used the nerve agent sarin, the BBC reported.
The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has evidence from victims and medical staff in Syria that the gas has been used by rebel forces. The commission has no evidence that governmnet forces have used chemical weapons, commission member Carla del Ponte said on Sunday.

It seems pretty obvious that the US & Nato are backing the wrong horse and may be doing so from the owners box.




Should we just ignore this and watch as another million innocents are murdered during these US/UK/Nato driven regime changes?

[mashman]

What a fuckin mess.

Should we just ignore this and watch as another million innocents are murdered during these US/UK/Nato driven regime changes?

What do you propose?

[MIXONE]

What do you propose?

Burn them...

[AllanB]

Why does the US stick it's nose into another countries business anytime? Usually involved fuel or something they ultimately want to be able to control.

[carbonhed]

Why would anybody have to bring Sarin into Syria? They've got their own chemical weapons stockpile.

How you can blame this bloodbath on the West when it's transparently arab against arab with persians lending a helping hand beggars belief.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Why would anybody have to bring Sarin into Syria? They've got their own chemical weapons stockpile.

How you can blame this bloodbath on the West when it's transparently arab against arab with persians lending a helping hand beggars belief.

Click the links read the stories to understand who is blaming who and who is gassing who. The gas is just another black flag attack orchestrated by the US.

The gas is nothing by comparison to what the US have openly done in Iraq by spreading over 600 tons of depleted uranium liberally atomized all over the country, contaminating all of the food and water in Iraq. Children are being born with deformities all over the place. The US have committed genocide using slow release poison. Why on earth would anyone even think to make bullets and bombs out of depleted uranium if genocide was not the intention from the outset? Answer that if you can. I can't think of one possible reason (other than genocide). Can you think of one?

The fact that this really happened and was widely advertised on news channels throughout the west at the time it was happening and NOBODY EVEN BLINKED That really does beggar belief yet is 100% true. Where is the worlds indignation of that atrocity?

Try to imagine the levels they will stoop to in light of that commonly known but little discussed fact. I mean... Can you go any lower???

[flyingcrocodile46]

What do you propose?

To start?
Not to sit quietly on the sidelines with eyes and ears closed is a much better start than 95%+ of the reponse from the western world. That seems like a not unreasonable place to start.

Start talking about it with people, make them aware. The more people talk about it, the bigger the stink will become and the harder for them to continue unquestioned.

The sheep of the world need to wake the fuck up and start bleating. The wolves are circling and attacking continuously.

[Ocean1]

the US have openly done in Iraq by spreading over 600 tons of depleted uranium liberally atomized all over the country, contaminating all of the food and water in Iraq. Children are being born with deformities all over the place.

Heavy-metal nephrotoxicity has not been noted in either animal studies or Gulf War veteran cohort studies despite markedly elevated urinary uranium excretion. No significant residual environmental contamination has been found in geographical areas exposed to DU. As such, although continued surveillance of exposed cohorts and environments (particularly water sources) are recommended, current data would support the position that DU poses neither a radiological nor chemical threat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080241

[flyingcrocodile46]

Heavy-metal nephrotoxicity has not been noted in either animal studies or Gulf War veteran cohort studies despite markedly elevated urinary uranium excretion. No significant residual environmental contamination has been found in geographical areas exposed to DU. As such, although continued surveillance of exposed cohorts and environments (particularly water sources) are recommended, current data would support the position that DU poses neither a radiological nor chemical threat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15080241

Relying on an obscure American clinic study is about as reliable as relying on the tobacco industry studies on smoking.

[Ocean1]

Relying on an obscure American clinic study is about as reliable as relying on the tobacco industry studies on smoking.

*Shrugs* It was the first in a rather long list, and I'm not sure you could call the US National Library of Medicine an obscure clinic. WHO appears to agree with them.

I don't believe the stuff's utterly harmless, on the other hand I'm a little wary of cries of wolf surrounding the supposed toxicity of some element or other by eco-warriors that don't actually have a clue.

But yes, the US isn't always a good international citizen.

[flyingcrocodile46]

*Shrugs* It was the first in a rather long list, and I'm not sure you could call the US National Library of Medicine an obscure clinic. WHO appears to agree with them.

I don't believe the stuff's utterly harmless, on the other hand I'm a little wary of cries of wolf surrounding the supposed toxicity of some element or other by eco-warriors that don't actually have a clue.

But yes, the US isn't always a good international citizen.

The very logical and revealing question as to why they are making ammunitition from depleted uranium in the first instance is completely ignored. What possible reason can there be other than because it is the weapon that keeps on killing?

The WHO did not study the long term effects on the Human body.

The US National Library of medicine My Arse.... Sztajnkrycer MD, Otten EJ. Source Department of Emergency Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN 55905, USA.

As for clueless Eco-warroirs, what a load of shit. It is doctors and scientists that are exposing the effects of the depleted uranium. The "little wary" ones (lets call them denial warriors) who don't want to be made aware of the real facts, and who would rather pretend everything is allright, are the ones to be regarded as clueless.


The Guardian (now all but banned in the US http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-deadly-legacy

he dust in Iraq rolls down the long roads that are the desert's fingers. It gets in your eyes and nose and throat; it swirls in markets and school playgrounds, consuming children kicking a ball; and it carries, according to Dr Jawad Al-Ali, "the seeds of our death". An internationally respected cancer specialist at the Sadr teaching hospital in Basra, Dr Ali told me that in 1999, and today his warning is irrefutable. "Before the Gulf war," he said, "we had two or three cancer patients a month. Now we have 30 to 35 dying every month. Our studies indicate that 40 to 48% of the population in this area will get cancer: in five years' time to begin with, then long after. That's almost half the population. Most of my own family have it, and we have no history of the disease. It is like Chernobyl here; the genetic effects are new to us; the mushrooms grow huge; even the grapes in my garden have mutated and can't be eaten."

'Falluja Babies' and Depleted Uranium -- America's Toxic Legacy in Iraq

Two US-led wars in Iraq have left behind hundreds of tons of depleted uranium munitions and other toxic wastes.



March 18, 2013


Fallujah, Iraq - Contamination from Depleted Uranium (DU) munitions and other military-related pollution is suspected of causing a sharp rises in congenital birth defects, cancer cases, and other illnesses throughout much of Iraq.
Many prominent doctors and scientists contend that DU contamination is also connected to the recent emergence of diseases that were not previously seen in Iraq, such as new illnesses in the kidney, lungs, and liver, as well as total immune system collapse. DU contamination may also be connected to the steep rise in leukaemia, renal, and anaemia cases, especially among children, being reported throughout many Iraqi governorates.
There has also been a dramatic jump in miscarriages and premature births among Iraqi women, particularly in areas where heavy US military operations occurred, such as Fallujah.
Official Iraqi government statistics show that, prior to the outbreak of the First Gulf War in 1991, the rate of cancer cases in Iraq was 40 out of 100,000 people. By 1995, it had increased to 800 out of 100,000 people, and, by 2005, it had doubled to at least 1,600 out of 100,000 people. Current estimates show the increasing trend continuing.

Open your eyes to this IF YOU CAN What it does to war veterans

[paturoa]

Sarin has a very short shelf life, weeks for home cooked and only months or a couple of years for high grade stuff. So it was either made there (not too hard to make) or was high grade made recently elsewhere.

Another important question to be asked, is who is currently making the stuff?

[mashman]

*Shrugs* It was the first in a rather long list, and I'm not sure you could call the US National Library of Medicine an obscure clinic. WHO appears to agree with them.

I don't believe the stuff's utterly harmless, on the other hand I'm a little wary of cries of wolf surrounding the supposed toxicity of some element or other by eco-warriors that don't actually have a clue.

But yes, the US isn't always a good international citizen.

Information about Uranium... including an opinion on why the WHO say that uranium is harmless.

"WHO ‘suppressed’ scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in Iraq: Sunday Herald - 22 February 2004"... Believe what you will.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Information about Uranium... including an opinion on why the WHO say that uranium is harmless.

"WHO ‘suppressed’ scientific study into depleted uranium cancer fears in Iraq: Sunday Herald - 22 February 2004"... Believe what you will.

That should loosen any sphincter sufficiently to extract even the biggest of heads.

Just kidding Ocean, I know you are only testing the water

[mashman]

To start?
Not to sit quietly on the sidelines with eyes and ears closed is a much better start than 95%+ of the reponse from the western world. That seems like a not unreasonable place to start.

Start talking about it with people, make them aware. The more people talk about it, the bigger the stink will become and the harder for them to continue unquestioned.

The sheep of the world need to wake the fuck up and start bleating. The wolves are circling and attacking continuously.

Not to start, no. Those discussions have been had at the highest levels for decades and irrespective of whether the public has the knowledge of what their govts will happily sanction based on selective advice, nothing has changed. As you say, the reason you build a weapon is to use it.

Unfortunately any form of public education takes money and it's money that will be poured into a metaphorical pit. I can only guess the pit is why so many of those with the funds to burn don't raise their voice. There's just no profit in it and given that the fallout could be huge and the economy could be affected etc... I can see why it's filed into the too hard basket. Funding was blamed, along with land mines, as one of the main reasons that research into DU usage in the Balkans was stopped. Even if we could pin the tail on the donkey, what does that achieve? A scalp? Pretty pointless really, unless of course an admission of guilt appeases a person. (it doesn't for me, because they don't learn, not really, they merely change tactics)

It's hardly going to be an election winner really is it. Sure the population would know. Sure the population would be incensed. Sure there may be the odd protest and a lobby or two, but none of it addresses the problem eh. Unfortunately none of us know how far down the track we are. The start has been there since before Fawkes attempted to blow up parliament. So where are we in the game? We're certainly not at the start are we?

That should loosen any sphincter sufficiently to extract even the biggest of heads.

Highly unlikely. It is apparent that TPTB (the real ones) are more than happy to ply their trade over centuries. It's like those who have religion, TPTB believe that certain things can only be a certain way for human beings to survive... I'm just as guilty of that albeit with a different way of accomplishing the same goals (at least I hope the goals are the same), although I'm right . What "we're" fighting against is centuries old and is a dyed in the wool belief, logic does not apply and reason is a one way street, so no amount of anal stretching will change those minds as they need real life examples in order to gain comprehension. Where the driver for doing things accepts human losses as inevitable, there is no reason or logic and by default there will be no examples for the less imaginative to comprehend both what is really going on as well as what could be.