Parents avoid jail for mistreating children

[unstuck]

dude. No one in the "justice" system gives a fuck. They get PAID either way. Repeat business is great for business.

After my recent experience in court, I have to say I agree. Seemed to be all about keeping the justic departement busy and employed.

[BoristheBiter]

What goes on behind closed doors etc... whilst I agree with you, to a point, in regards to the authorities, they can only do so much with an ever decreasing budget and an ever growing number of cases. Aye, there's plenty of wet bus ticket sentences, although you could argue that's compassion... although it's likely a case of turning up apologising and then throwing a party for getting one over on the man. Tis one of the many reasons I want the world without money as there are absolutely no excuses then and it's likely more people would be happier with having the death sentence reintroduced, the kids would also get looked after as the resources would be there to look after the kids properly etc... It's a pisstake really innit. But yeah, home D, community service and a wee fine, maybe a month in the clink really does nothing to address the issue. But what does?

Money, or lack of, has nothing to do with bad parenting.
This is a community/family issue. When other family/friends start telling these mongrels that it is not all right to treat their kids like that then something will change until then it will carry on.

And this is the community you want to hand shit over to with your fanciful scheme of no money?

[BoristheBiter]

"judge Thomas acknowledged the troubled past of the father"Same shit different day.The parents are not the only problem here,judge Thomas needs a kick up the arse as well.Coppers must sit in court shaking there heads thinking why the fuck do we bother.

Wait a few moments and someone will blame it on the cops handing out speeding tickets and not doing their job.

But they do, cops spend hours on these files just to have them back out on the streets doing the same shit again.
Our whole system is so fucked up but no one has the balls to fix it.

[scissorhands]

Our whole system is so fucked up but no one has the balls to fix it.

here I iz
plenty of white knights but they keep getting shot down by other white knights
friendly fire.... when we are all on the same side....
there must be a good general somewhere around here.....
or are we all misguided gorillas

[mashman]

Money, or lack of, has nothing to do with bad parenting.
This is a community/family issue. When other family/friends start telling these mongrels that it is not all right to treat their kids like that then something will change until then it will carry on.

And this is the community you want to hand shit over to with your fanciful scheme of no money?

Of course it does. I grant you it's not the main factor bad parenting, but even still it has an influence on what gets bought and what doesn't. My main "gripe" in the money stakes is that there isn't enough for CYFS to hire enough people to deal with the volume of incidents, leading to heavier case loads and limiting the amount of time spent building relationships with those "bad" parents. The money also dictates how easy it is to relocate the kids and look after them whilst away from their parents or indeed to remove them from their parents entirely. No doubt there are many other reasons where extra $ could help.
You may well be right there... however you need these people to be around to notice what's going on.

Yes, very much so. It will solve the money issue, meaning that more people will be available to join CYFS, the $ required for removing and looking after the kids whilst away from their parents won't be a consideration. If they drink themselves to death, meh, the kids will be looked after and not shoveled into some hovel that relies on govt funding. My fanciful scheme can achieve that which yours can't in the support respect... and if the support isn't going to make a difference, then why are we bothering in the first place?

[scissorhands]

better TV programming could fix a whole swag of social problems, no problemo

in fact, TV is be responsible for a large degree of harm, especially to those most vulnerable

themes of family discord and unharmonious relationships are commonly featured/encouraged

All in the family
Copulation street
most family sitcoms

[avgas]

Not that I particularly subscribe to the argument

I partially do. I think that a certain license should be achieved - showing that you will have a providing environment.
These are kids we are talking about after all - not dolls.

[BoristheBiter]

Of course it does. I grant you it's not the main factor bad parenting, but even still it has an influence on what gets bought and what doesn't. My main "gripe" in the money stakes is that there isn't enough for CYFS to hire enough people to deal with the volume of incidents, leading to heavier case loads and limiting the amount of time spent building relationships with those "bad" parents. The money also dictates how easy it is to relocate the kids and look after them whilst away from their parents or indeed to remove them from their parents entirely. No doubt there are many other reasons where extra $ could help.
You may well be right there... however you need these people to be around to notice what's going on.

Yes, very much so. It will solve the money issue, meaning that more people will be available to join CYFS, the $ required for removing and looking after the kids whilst away from their parents won't be a consideration. If they drink themselves to death, meh, the kids will be looked after and not shoveled into some hovel that relies on govt funding. My fanciful scheme can achieve that which yours can't in the support respect... and if the support isn't going to make a difference, then why are we bothering in the first place?

No money is no factor in the raising of children. if you have to go without so your children can have, then so be it. If this doesn't sit well with you then you shouldn't be having kids.

Cyfs are not here to raise some one else's children, they are there to offer help when needed and the problem it these fuckers think they are good parents so tell cyfs to fuck off.

Your fanciful scheme is just another ambo at the bottom of the cliff again showing that money has nothing to do with it.

[mashman]

No money is no factor in the raising of children. if you have to go without so your children can have, then so be it. If this doesn't sit well with you then you shouldn't be having kids.

Cyfs are not here to raise some one else's children, they are there to offer help when needed and the problem it these fuckers think they are good parents so tell cyfs to fuck off.

Your fanciful scheme is just another ambo at the bottom of the cliff again showing that money has nothing to do with it.

Blubshit. Try bringing up kids without money. Yes going without is all noble and the right things to do etc... but how does that help the kids when the adult is ill? They probably only had kids so that they could get free money

CYFS and resources for looking getting kids away from that environment and looking after them until things get sorted are under resourced. End of!

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.

[avgas]

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.

So all rich parents are the best parents?

[blue rider]

So all rich parents are the best parents?

according to many yes.

[mashman]

So all rich parents are the best parents?

A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Fortunately rich folk can afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

[scumdog]

A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Fortunately rich folk can afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

And the ones that are neither rich nor poor??

[BoristheBiter]

Blubshit. Try bringing up kids without money. Yes going without is all noble and the right things to do etc... but how does that help the kids when the adult is ill? They probably only had kids so that they could get free money

CYFS and resources for looking getting kids away from that environment and looking after them until things get sorted are under resourced. End of!

Wubbish. It highlights the failings of money.

Bullshit, show me some one in NZ with no money and i will show you some that has bad budgeting. (mind you that last sentence in the first paragraph is probably true)

Stop blaming money for shit people, you get rich wankers and poor wankers and the only thing in common is they are wankers.

It highlights the failings of people.

[scissorhands]

A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Fortunately rich folk can afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's