Parents avoid jail for mistreating children

[gammaguy]

While successive NZ governments continue to suck the dick of the all powerful breweries,and see alcohol as the national pacifier and anaesthetic,nothing will change

I grew up in Waitangirua,and it is no coincidence the local liquor stores were and no doubt still are extremely well patronised.coincidentally the area had an alarmingly high rate of crime,domestic violence and broken families

Coincidence?

I think not

[Banditbandit]

I partially do. I think that a certain license should be achieved - showing that you will have a providing environment.
These are kids we are talking about after all - not dolls.

Yeah .. I agree with you more than probably came through with my comment ... but like most things who decides get the snip? That's a major concern ... it's only the a small pathway to Eugenics etc ..

[Banditbandit]

And the ones that are neither rich nor poor??

Pay the most taxes ...

[Banditbandit]

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Yeah mine too .. started off poor .. and angry/violent - wound up middle class and angry ...

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

No .. that's common to all groups .. just the middle class and wealthy are better at hiding it ... and less likely to have police involvement - therefore it is hidden - but is still there.

Low intelligence and drugs/alcohol abuse cross all classes .. again just better hidden in the middle and wealthy classes.

[scissorhands]

Yeah mine too .. started off poor .. and angry/violent - wound up middle class and angry ...




No .. that's common to all groups .. just the middle class and wealthy are better at hiding it ... and less likely to have police involvement - therefore it is hidden - but is still there.

Low intelligence and drugs/alcohol abuse cross all classes .. again just better hidden in the middle and wealthy classes.

The poor must have some [general] common ground, neurology, lowered intelligence [either genetic or environmental] and food, drug, TV... addictions must be the common markers showing a trend toward poverty?

A Hindu would suggest family karma, but that bullshit is political to support a class society, Brahma being omnipotent

That said, most high class Maori and Hindu are finely breed, however, mostly a condition of wealth attracting the better brides/mothers

Poverty does not attract the better brides, so then genetics exasperate the situation for the poor.

Nature based capitalist doctrine....

Matthew 13.12
And the disciples came, and said to him, Why speak you to them in parables? 11He answered and said to them, Because it is given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has. …

[mashman]

And the ones that are neither rich nor poor??

Hmmmmmm, let me see now... A bad parent is a bad parent irrespective of money. However financial pressure is high up there on the list of affecting behaviour. Depending on how rich folk are, they may be able to afford to bring in good people to raise their kids whilst they party.

Bullshit, show me some one in NZ with no money and i will show you some that has bad budgeting. (mind you that last sentence in the first paragraph is probably true)

Stop blaming money for shit people, you get rich wankers and poor wankers and the only thing in common is they are wankers.

It highlights the failings of people.

According to a figure that Ocean threw up about 55% of the population. You've forgotten how expensive things are havenchoo. And you've also forgotten that people deserve to have a life that involved 3 good meals per day, 1 night out per week, a car that never breaks down, access to the internet etc...

Money is a major factor in people's behaviour. Sure a wanker is a wanker, but it takes a person to decide that a person is a wanker, where there may well be 30 other people that feel that the wanker label doesn't belong.

It does, I'm not denying that, but if there aren't enough people to deal with the cases that arise, then that's down to there not being enough money... similarly with the other support services. Sure if everyone was perfect we wouldn't need those services, but they're not and those services are needed to help shield those kids from as much harm as possible. That takes money at every turn.

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

I agree. Mine parents were great, I was shite.

Aye, services at a minimum because there's not enough cash and those people are just not worth it because they're mentally fucked and not helping themselves... is probably the way the calculated bean counter looks at things.

We get what we pay for

[BoristheBiter]

According to a figure that Ocean threw up about 55% of the population. You've forgotten how expensive things are havenchoo. And you've also forgotten that people deserve to have a life that involved 3 good meals per day, 1 night out per week, a car that never breaks down, access to the internet etc...

Money is a major factor in people's behaviour. Sure a wanker is a wanker, but it takes a person to decide that a person is a wanker, where there may well be 30 other people that feel that the wanker label doesn't belong.

It does, I'm not denying that, but if there aren't enough people to deal with the cases that arise, then that's down to there not being enough money... similarly with the other support services. Sure if everyone was perfect we wouldn't need those services, but they're not and those services are needed to help shield those kids from as much harm as possible. That takes money at every turn.

I know exactly how much things cost, I know exactly where my money goes, if I didn't my company would go down the tubes very quickly.
It's called budgeting and saving for a rainy day or living within my means.

Why do people deserve anything? if that is so whom will pay for my night out, my new car or my access to the interweb?
It is up to me to provide these things for me, it was up to my parents to show me how.

If 30 people label him a wanker,or not, it doesn't matter if he has money or not.
That's the community telling him to pull his socks up/ or carry on the way he is, again nothing to do with money.

Yes CYPS don't have the resources but like i said they are the ambo at the bottom with society looking down from the top.

[scumdog]

While successive NZ governments continue to suck the dick of the all powerful breweries,and see alcohol as the national pacifier and anaesthetic,nothing will change

I grew up in Waitangirua,and it is no coincidence the local liquor stores were and no doubt still are extremely well patronised.coincidentally the area had an alarmingly high rate of crime,domestic violence and broken families

Coincidence?

I think not

I'm with this guy!!!
Too much influence and 'persuasion' by the brewerys/liquor sales people who don't care a jot about the damage their product causes. (Sounds just like drug barons eh...).

And I was lucky enough to visit Waitangirua in the early 70's - for a country boy it was a shock to see a bottle-store with a heavy-duty set of steel bars across the counter.

[mashman]

I know exactly how much things cost, I know exactly where my money goes, if I didn't my company would go down the tubes very quickly.
It's called budgeting and saving for a rainy day or living within my means.

Why do people deserve anything? if that is so whom will pay for my night out, my new car or my access to the interweb?
It is up to me to provide these things for me, it was up to my parents to show me how.

If 30 people label him a wanker,or not, it doesn't matter if he has money or not.
That's the community telling him to pull his socks up/ or carry on the way he is, again nothing to do with money.

Yes CYPS don't have the resources but like i said they are the ambo at the bottom with society looking down from the top.

Do things cost any more as your buying power diminishes?
Oooooo budgeting when you've got fuck all and a trip to the Dr's can set you back weeks if not months until you get square... and then there's another trip to the Dr.

Because they are people.

I wasn't saying that one followed the other as they were and are 2 separate points as you highlight... although I have heard a few people comment that since friends have come into money they have turned into a wanker.

Yes they are the ambo but we need need more ambo's. And if society is standing looking down, then society has dropped the people in the first place, or maybe even pushed them. It takes a village to raise a child and the character of that village is defined by how they treat the weak, helpless, vulnerable and wankers. You chucking them off the cliff ain't helping.

[unstuck]

I'm with this guy!!!
Too much influence and 'persuasion' by the brewerys/liquor sales people who don't care a jot about the damage their product causes. (Sounds just like drug barons eh...).

And I was lucky enough to visit Waitangirua in the early 70's - for a country boy it was a shock to see a bottle-store with a heavy-duty set of steel bars across the counter.

Working in the shearing industry earlier this year really opened my eyes to a whole new drinking culture that I had not really thought would be tolerated by employers, but in a couple of cases it was the employers initiating these drinking sessions. I was actually shocked at the reaction of most of the shearers, when a farmer refused to provide alcohol for the crew, they would hide the pins for the press, or intentionally cut a sheep or two, or leave the taps going in the sink or stupid shit like that. I dont think I will be going back when they start up again in a couple of weeks.

[Akzle]

mashman wins this thread.

fuck off home, the rest of you.

[Laava]

Sometimes poverty can make a good child...
It [mostly] comes down to parenting
Mine were utter shite

Many polynesians and low income families have undiagnosed mental conditions
These tend to be the abusers
no help for them
And no help for their spawn

Adding low intelligence to the mix
and adding alcohol and/or drugs
magnifies the mental condition's

Is this a poem or a song?

[scumdog]

It takes a village to raise a child and the character of that village is defined by how they treat the weak, helpless, vulnerable and wankers. You chucking them off the cliff ain't helping.

It will improve the herd...

[Akzle]

Is this a poem or a song?

yes

. .

[mashman]

mashman wins this thread.

fuck off home, the rest of you.

Cool the fuck as. Waddooawin?

It will improve the herd...

no it won't, coz you can only measure who is weak using your yardstick. You may be throwing your only chance for survival off the cliff because of their cleft pallet, funny voice and the different line of thinking that they offer. Anyhoo, we're not a herd, we're parasites, well, "you" are.