Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mada]

Summary of 102 pages so far:

Mass conspiracy on global scale involving all health organisation from UN World Health Org, CDC, Ministry of Health, down to your local GP, all the media, who are controlled by big pharma (not to be confused with "big farmer" - please refer to "Thinking of drinking pasteurized milk thread?").

The evidence has been suppressed with the evidence of the suppression of evidence being clear with a clear lack of evidence.

The logic behind the conspiracy is that big pharma and their henchmen make a lot of money out of their triple in one vaccine...

They would make less money if the vaccines were separate as there would be 3 x amount of consults, 3 x amount of needles used, 3 x amount of separate vaccination preparations, 3 x amount of storage required, 3 x a young child might cry and be upset after being jabbed rather than once, and so on, more likelihood of a child contracting one of viruses that they are not yet immunised against = hospital admission + drugs.

Clearly big pharma or someone would have a lot to gain from supporting anti-vacc, sorry I mean vaccination with MMR.

Which begs the question. If our local clinicians are henchmen puppets in the pockets of zionist big pharma can we really trust them if we come off our bikes? Surely we would be safer looking on youtube and getting Mr Wakefields help.....

[Katman]

It's very interesting what you find when you start digging deeper.

Anyone heard of Trivirix? It's a vaccine that was used in Canada in 1988, which was withdrawn after it was discovered that there was a link between the vaccine and meningitis outbreaks.

It was then introduced in the UK under the new name of Pluserix and only withdrawn 4 years later after (you guessed it) it was linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But it didn't stop there. Five years after it was withdrawn from the UK it was sold to Brazil where (you guessed it again) it was once again linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But hey, at least SmithKline Beecham made a killing out of it. (Pun intended).

[TheDemonLord]

It's very interesting what you find when you start digging deeper.

Anyone heard of Trivirix? It's a vaccine that was used in Canada in 1988, which was withdrawn after it was discovered that there was a link between the vaccine and meningitis outbreaks.

It was then introduced in the UK under the new name of Pluserix and only withdrawn 4 years later after (you guessed it) it was linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But it didn't stop there. Five years after it was withdrawn from the UK it was sold to Brazil where (you guessed it again) it was once again linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But hey, at least SmithKline Beecham made a killing out of it. (Pun intended).

Yes, it really is interesting when you dig deeper...

The Key points being - There are 2 strains of the Mumps virus used - one (Urabe) had a higher chance of causing aseptic Meningitis - (which is not the Full blown Bacterial Meningitis - which is commonly referred to as 'Meningitis' and the one that kills people) - it had an incidence of this minor side effect of about 1 in 10,000. Children who get Mumps naturally (without vaccination) have a 1 in 10 chance of getting Aseptic Meningitis. In the west, we use the other strain as opposed to Urabe.

Something to note - How many people died or suffered serious complications as a result? I couldn't find any numbers.

[Katman]

Yes, it really is interesting when you dig deeper...

The Key points being - There are 2 strains of the Mumps virus used - one (Urabe) had a higher chance of causing aseptic Meningitis - (which is not the Full blown Bacterial Meningitis - which is commonly referred to as 'Meningitis' and the one that kills people) - it had an incidence of this minor side effect of about 1 in 10,000. Children who get Mumps naturally (without vaccination) have a 1 in 10 chance of getting Aseptic Meningitis. In the west, we use the other strain as opposed to Urabe.

Something to note - How many people died or suffered serious complications as a result? I couldn't find any numbers.

My key point being - if a vaccine is withdrawn from a market because it is shown to cause a significant health risk, is it ethical to change it's name and then continue to market it to other countries around the world?

[mada]

It's very interesting what you find when you start digging deeper.

Anyone heard of Trivirix? It's a vaccine that was used in Canada in 1988, which was withdrawn after it was discovered that there was a link between the vaccine and meningitis outbreaks.

It was then introduced in the UK under the new name of Pluserix and only withdrawn 4 years later after (you guessed it) it was linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But it didn't stop there. Five years after it was withdrawn from the UK it was sold to Brazil where (you guessed it again) it was once again linked to meningitis outbreaks.

But hey, at least SmithKline Beecham made a killing out of it. (Pun intended).

So I'm guessing you are using this to support the argument we cannot trust big pharma and the "system".....

On the flip side what you do think was the cause of the vaccine being withdrawn? Most likely research by those same government agencies and researchers that are supposedly covering things up. What happened to big pharma calling the shots?

How about Japan?

They withdrew their own version of MMR after meningitis cases too. Since then their research has shown that there has been a rise in the diagnosis rate of autism despite MMR no longer being used.

[TheDemonLord]

My key point being - if a vaccine is withdrawn from a market because it is shown to cause a significant health risk, is it ethical to change it's name and then continue to market it to other countries around the world?

The key point is whether it was a significant health risk - And from what I've read, both on that article and on these 2 articles on the outbreaks:

UK Outbreak
Brazil Outbreak

Remembering that they did not cause bacterial Meningitis (which is the bad one that kills people/causes major complications) but a lesser condition with no long term implications.

I'll agree its pretty cheeky on the companies part, but after reading exactly what the complication was and the rate of incidence (about 1:10,000) I don't think you can call it a significant health risk.

[Woodman]

So are you asking if there's any evidence of evidence in the documentary?

If I ever figure out where I can watch the documentary I'll let you know.

So what is the point of watching a discussion about a documentary when you can't even watch the documentary that the discussion is about?

its a bit flowery..............

[Oscar]

I suggest that you stop throwing up strawmen... but it won't stop you. It wasn't just Wakefield. There was a team theat signed the science off. There is a high ranking member of the CDC claiming he destroyed data that would have proven the link that the three ringed circus said that Wakefield had stated, but didn't.

That's why I . You got shares in a vaccination company?

Strawmen?
Are you saying Wakefield did not coin the phrase "autistic enterocolitis" as a way of describing his "discovery"?
Speaking of straws, this would be the Hooker/Wakefield straw that you're clutching, whereby William W Thompson refuted the statement though his lawyer, describing it as a scientific argument?

The propensity of the conspiracy looney movement to make up whistleblowers or studies or little green men to explain the holes in their stories is laughable (and so are you).

[mada]

My key point being - if a vaccine is withdrawn from a market because it is shown to cause a significant health risk, is it ethical to change it's name and then continue to market it to other countries around the world?

Strains of viruses and bacteria vary from country to country. If the vaccine was working in other markets, should they withdraw it from everywhere?

[Katman]

Strains of viruses and bacteria vary from country to country. If the vaccine was working in other markets, should they withdraw it from everywhere?

Was Trivirix/Pluserix used anywhere that didn't show an increase in the cases of aseptic meningitis?

[mada]

Was Trivirix/Pluserix used anywhere that didn't show an increase in the cases of aseptic meningitis?

Why deflect from the question? You can go look up the evidence that it caused aseptic meningitis in every country used if you want.

[Katman]

I'll agree its pretty cheeky on the companies part....

Yes, very 'cheeky' - much like selling Dalkon Shields (unsterilised) to Third World countries after it was known of the extensive harm they caused.

The pharmaceutical industry seems to make rather a habit of being 'cheeky' like that.

[mada]

Yes, very 'cheeky' - much like selling Dalkon Shields (unsterilised) to Third World countries after it was known of the extensive harm they caused.

The pharmaceutical industry seems to make rather a habit of being 'cheeky' like that.

Rebranding products doesn't change the ingredients or hide the research. The Brazilian govt. would have known what it was purchasing and would have had sound reasons for it - such as assessing what MMR vaccine (3 different ones available) was the most effective for their own population.

"Objective. To compare the incidence of adverse events following the administration of three commercially available measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) combination vaccines.

Methods. A randomized double-blind clinical trial was performed in 1996 that involved a total of 10 142 students 6-12 years of age in the state of Rio Grande do Sul, in Brazil. An MMR vaccine containing the Edmonston-Zagreb, Leningrad-Zagreb, and RA 27/3 strains ("vaccine A") was administered to 2 226 students (21.9% of the total); an MMR vaccine with the Moraten, Jeryl Lynn, and Wistar 27/3 strains ("vaccine B") was administered to 2 216 children (21.8%); and an MMR vaccine containing the Schwartz, Urabe AM-9, and Wistar 27/3 strains ("vaccine C") was given to 2 179 students (21.5%). A control group of 3 521 students (34.7%) was not vaccinated. Both the vaccinated subjects and the control subjects were followed daily for 30 days to detect any clinical manifestations.

Results. Adverse events were more frequent in the vaccinated children than in the control group (P < 0.01). In terms of causing parotitis, vaccine A had a relative risk (RR) of 5.72 (95% confidence interval (CI) = 3.11-10.54) when compared with vaccine B, and an RR of 2.33 (95% CI = 1.52-3.58) when compared with vaccine C. Vaccine A was also associated with an increased risk of lymphadenopathy when compared with vaccine B (RR = 3.11; 95% CI = 1.78-5.45) and with vaccine C (RR = 2.22; 95% CI = 1.35-3.66). Vaccine C was associated with an increased risk of parotitis when compared with vaccine B (RR = 2.46; 95% CI = 1.26-4.80). Three cases of aseptic meningitis were detected among the children in the study group, but only one case of vaccine-related aseptic meningitis was identified, among the children receiving vaccine A.

Conclusions. The three MMR vaccines that we studied are associated with different risks of adverse events. We found vaccine A to cause more reactions than the two other vaccines, especially vaccine B. In addition, vaccine A presented both a temporal and a cause-and-effect association with one case of aseptic meningitis. We hope that this study will contribute information that can be used in choosing MMR vaccines with safe and effective strains, especially for mass vaccination strategies."

Biology is not black and white. There are no quick fixes unfortunately.

[mashman]

Strawmen?
Are you saying Wakefield did not coin the phrase "autistic enterocolitis" as a way of describing his "discovery"?
Speaking of straws, this would be the Hooker/Wakefield straw that you're clutching, whereby William W Thompson refuted the statement though his lawyer, describing it as a scientific argument?

The propensity of the conspiracy looney movement to make up whistleblowers or studies or little green men to explain the holes in their stories is laughable (and so are you).

And McBride calls hers GAPS
No, that would be the admission of one of the CDC's top scientists in regards to destroying evidence. If you knew who Thompson was, you wouldn't need to ask.

There are no holes in the story. The science has proven that inflammation of the gut, and the known link between gut health and mental health is common in people with ASD conditions.

And so, to summarise your posts whilst you're eating cake . You have my pity.

[scumdog]

OK, time to find another conspiracy.