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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Was it like this one?

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0616140723.htm

    Because if it is, Andrew Wakefield established a link between gastrointestinal problems and autism back in 1998.
    No Wakefeild produced a paper purporting there was a link.
    10 of the 12 co authors retracted their support and he was found on multiple occasions to have falsified data and to be a fraud.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
    The paper was retracted.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/0...tism.vaccines/
    He was found to have withheld information including his own huge conflicts of interest.
    Like you other experts he has sued his accusers and never won, in fact he has had to pay the defendants costs on all occasions.
    You are a gullible cretin of the highest order



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberk View Post
    No Wakefeild produced a paper purporting their was a link.
    10 of the 12 co authors retracted their support and he was found on multiple occasions to have falsified data and to be a fraud.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
    The paper was retracted.
    He was found to have withheld information including his own huge conflicts of interest.
    Like you other experts he has sued his accusers and never won in fact he has had to pay costs on all occasions.
    You are a gullible cretin of the highest order
    Seriously man, that post is the pinnacle of 'total utter moron'.

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    They predict that if the current rate of increase continues, by 2030 we'll be at 1 in 2 diagnosed with autism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Is that how it's supposed to work, is it?

    Any opinion that you disagree with should be sent to PD?

    That's the sort of childish shit I'd normally expect from bogan.
    Not at all. It's not about my opinion. There was really no intelligent discourse in the previous umpty ump pages, mainly just people swapping insults.
    Or perhaps more accurately, people replying to your insults? At that point I'da thunk it was pink material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Not at all. It's not about my opinion. There was really no intelligent discourse in the previous umpty ump pages, mainly just people swapping insults.
    Or perhaps more accurately, people replying to your insults? At that point I'da thunk it was pink material.
    Then you haven't read it hard enough.

    Fuck off back to page 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    They predict that if the current rate of increase continues, by 2030 we'll be at 1 in 2 diagnosed with autism.
    You mean like in Japan
    The MMR scare caused a low percentage of mumps vaccination (less than 30%), which resulted in outbreaks in Japan. There were up to 2002 measles caused deaths in Japan while there were none in UK, but the extra deaths were attributed to Japan's application of the vaccine at a later age. A spokesman for the Ministry of Health said that the discontinuation had no effect in measles, but also mentioning that there were more deaths by measles while MMR was being used.
    In 1994 the government dropped the vaccination requirement for measles and rubella due to the 1993 MMR scare.
    Japan is nowadays the only developed country with large measles epidemics. It has been called a "measles exporter" by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. As another consequence of the scare, in 2003, 7 million schoolchildren had not been vaccinated against rubella.

    Yet Autism rates continued to rise in Japan after the discontinuation of the MMR vaccine, which disproves any large-scale effect of vaccination.
    Like I said, you don't know shit from a shovel.

    So have your animals been vaccinated Katman?
    What about you, have you been vaccinated?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Is that how it's supposed to work, is it?

    Any opinion that you disagree with should be sent to PD?

    That's the sort of childish shit I'd normally expect from bogan.
    Oh look, another strawman. Clearly it's about the intellectual ineptitude and childish behavior of those putting forward their opinions that is the reason this drivel should be in PD.

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Not at all. It's not about my opinion. There was really no intelligent discourse in the previous umpty ump pages, mainly just people swapping insults.
    Or perhaps more accurately, people replying to your insults? At that point I'da thunk it was pink material.
    Precisly, there was attempts at it, but one side goes and takes what could be discussed, and throws up silly insults and misdirection...

    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Then you haven't read it hard enough.

    Fuck off back to page 1.
    ^just like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    Precisly, there was attempts at it, but one side goes and takes what could be discussed, and throws up silly insults and misdirection...
    Fuck off you stupid cunt.

    You have contributed nothing to the discussion other than ridiculing anyone who questions any vaccine issue.

    Like I've said before, you wouldn't recognise rational debate if it fucked you up the arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Fuck off you stupid cunt.

    You have contributed nothing to the discussion other than ridiculing any who questions any vaccine issue.

    Like I've said before, you wouldn't recognise rational debate if it fucked you up the arse.
    Ah, so your instruction that I should take myself away from the thread due to my opinions differing from yours is somehow not equivalent to the childish PD 'censorship' you sought to attribute to me?

    You should also take your own advice and read the thread then; I've made plenty of rational counterpoints. Would you like a few excerpts? or just save yourself some time and avoid the subject now...
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    So has anyone given any thought to what society is going to be like in the 2030's once every second one of us is autistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Fuck off you stupid cunt.

    You have contributed nothing to the discussion other than ridiculing anyone who questions any vaccine issue.

    Like I've said before, you wouldn't recognise rational debate if it fucked you up the arse.
    You are clearly afraid of any discourse, which is why you never answer questions, Its also why rep people with fuck off every time they post stuff that clearly refutes your faith based folk stories.........
    I eagerly await your next gish gallop..........

    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    So has anyone given any thought to what society is going to be like in the 2030's once every second one of us is autistic?
    That sounds like a Wakefeild wet dream

    In January 2010 the UK's General Medical Council (GMC) decided that Wakefield had acted “dishonestly and irresponsibly,” a ruling that led to him being struck off the medical register four months later.

    In the first part of his investigation, Deer showed how Wakefield was able to manufacture the appearance of a medical syndrome that would hoodwink parents and large parts of the medical establishment with a fraud that “unleashed fear, parental guilt, costly government intervention, and outbreaks of infectious disease."
    In the second part, he shows how the discredited doctor planned secret businesses intended to make huge sums of money, in the U.K. and the U.S., from his allegations.
    The BMJ report says that Wakefield met medical school managers to discuss a joint business even while the first child to be fully investigated in his research was still in the hospital; and how just days after publication of his Lancet article, he brought business associates to his place of work at the Royal Free Medical School in London to continue negotiations.
    Drawing on investigations and information obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, Deer says Wakefield and his associates used financial forecasts that predicted they could make up to £28 million (about $43.7 million) a year from the diagnostic kits alone.
    Deals Could Have Netted Millions
    The kits in question were for diagnosing patients with autism. Deer obtained one 35-page document marked "private and confidential" which confidently predicted: “It is estimated that by year 3, income from this testing could be about £3,300,000 rising to about £28,000,000 as diagnostic testing in support of therapeutic regimes come on stream.”

    Would-be investors were told that “the initial market for the diagnostic will be litigation-driven testing of patients with AE [autistic enterocolitis, an unproven condition concocted by Wakefield] from both the UK and the USA”.
    Deer’s investigation also reveals that Wakefield was offered support to try to replicate his results, gained from just 12 children, with a larger validated study of up to 150 patients, but that he refused to carry out the work, claiming that his academic freedom would be jeopardized.
    A further claim in the BMJ article is the existence of a business, named after Wakefield’s wife, which was intended to develop his own "replacement" vaccines, diagnostic testing kits, and other products which only stood any real chance of success if public confidence in the MMR vaccine was damaged..
    http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/ne...journal-claims



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    Quote Originally Posted by bogan View Post
    save yourself some time and avoid the subject now...
    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    So has anyone given any thought to what society is going to be like in the 2030's once every second one of us is autistic?
    I would have suggested a topic change somewhat less retarded than that.

    In 2030 we'll have roughly overturned 20% of the population, considering the proportion now is just a few percent, and how autism occus in early development; it is statistically impossible for such a society to occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I have just learned of Wakefield and his study with mice. Where he used the wrong type of mice which are bred to get cancer when ya breath in them.

    The cunt is a fucken crook. Anyone putting any faith in him is a fucken moron, and deserves to die of measles, mumps, or rubella.
    I've had the mumps before, guess what? I'm still alive!

    I have a child on the way and the least of my concerns is some stink arse virus.

    I'm more worried about the missus driving and other dumb arses on the road.

    I may vaxs for polio and fuck all else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    They predict that if the current rate of increase continues, by 2030 we'll be at 1 in 2 diagnosed with autism.
    'They'?

    Are 'they' as accurate as the weather forecasters?

    'They' say it's going to rain.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    'They'?

    Are 'they' as accurate as the weather forecasters?

    'They' say it's going to rain.....
    Not these 'they' I guess...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2927813/

    but what would a peer reviewed article based on observed trends and published by a national health institute know

    Clearly, there is survey/diagnosis bias; as we become more aware of the condition, it is more often checked for, and more often identified.
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