Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[mashman]

Katman's form of discussion = diss & cuss on everyone who presents valid information that is contrary to his opinion....

Pot Kettle... Katman seems to be the only one in the thread that is prepared to be "wrong". Based on what I've read, I'm happy to be "wrong" also. However, based on what I've read, there's smoke in them thar hills. To simply dismiss is because the establishment says so, as well as admitting that documents and data were destroyed doesn't ring bells? If that admitted destruction had have been a lie and could have been proven to be a lie, then they would have hung Thompson out to dry. It would have been easy. They didn't. Given that they persecuted Wakefields to the end of the earth, love the drama eh. Thompson still has his job. Also, that kids are being treated in a different manner i.e. food based solution, off of the back of the research, isn't that a good thing? Yet it's all but forgotten by those who would happily point out the butcherous origins of what once was unsanctioned medicine. One really has to laugh at such a position.

The cuss'n is a bonus.

[Katman]

This is the problem you seem to be having - some Doctors saying that maybe the system could be better =/= vaccinations are bad.

And there is a perfect example of your irrationality.

I've never said that all vaccines are bad.

Neither has Andrew Wakefield.

[TheDemonLord]

And there is a perfect example of your irrationality.

I've never said that all vaccines are bad.

Neither has Andrew Wakefield.

But you have said some vaccines are bad, the evidence you use to say this has been retracted and discredited - and yet you still cite it.

You are saying something about Irrationality? The fact that you keep mentioning Andrew Wakefield (who has less than zero credibility) is testament to your irrationality, when you combine this with your other loony ideas, suddenly the bigger picture comes into focus: Big Pharma have wealth and power and therefore have to be doing evil.

[bogan]

Not quite.

I "diss & cuss" (you're a sensitive wee thing, aren't you?) at a small bunch of morons whose idea of rational debate doesn't extend much beyond screaming "Anti-vaxxer! Baby-killer! Fuck off to Africa and die!" or repeatedly posting screeds of copy and paste from one man's hatchet job.

(It's much the same as the phrase "Anti-semite!" being trotted out every time anyone mentions the J word).

The fact is that there is a growing number of highly respected members of the medical profession who are speaking out about the undue influence that the pharmaceutical industry is exerting on the medical profession (and that of scientific research) and the inherent corruption that that influence brings. (But don't tell TheDemonLord that - he'll have a melt-down).

Actually you diss and cuss to avoid addressing rational counterpoints... Like the point that the diagnosis rate of autism has gone up at least partially, and very likely predominantly, due to the increase in awareness and testing. Which rendered your aforementioned statement about 1 in 2 people being autistic by 2030; fucking moronic.

Ah yes, that annoying predominance of bigotry against bigots, good fucking job

Of course there is undue influence by the pharmaceutical industry. It's a fucking far cry from vaccines causing autism though. And somewhat ironic given your support for that wakefeild dickhead that sought to profit from his own undue influence on the science...

[Katman]

The fact that you keep mentioning Andrew Wakefield (who has less than zero credibility)

Like I've said before, I trust you'll be man enough to retract that statement should it ever transpire that Andrew Wakefield has simply been made subject to a smear campaign by the pharmaceutical industry.

[TheDemonLord]

Like I've said before, I trust you'll be man enough to retract that statement should it ever transpire that Andrew Wakefield has simply been made subject to a smear campaign by the pharmaceutical industry.

And I trust you'll be man enough to retract all your statements when it transpires he was struck off from the GMC and exposed as attempting to commit Fraud....







Oh, that right! That has already happened and you're a Fuckwit!

[Katman]

And I trust you'll be man enough to retract all your statements when it transpires he was struck off from the GMC and exposed as attempting to commit Fraud....

He was struck off for a perceived conflict of interest and failing to gain approval from the Ethics Committee.

[TheDemonLord]

He was struck for a perceived conflict of interest and failing to gain approval from the Ethics Committee.

Perceived?

Oh, I remember now - Everyone is out to get you and all the other loonies.

[Katman]

Perceived?

Oh, I remember now - Everyone is out to get you and all the other loonies.

Nobody better get in the way of the pharmaceutical industry when they're looking to make money.

[Drew]

Nobody better get in the way of the pharmaceutical industry when they're looking to make money.

Lets address this then.

Big Pharma are in it to make money. So they hire scientists to make shut they can sell. Then they sell it.

The spot that your perception of BP falls apart in there? The scientists and Doctors. The ones driven to cure and generally make people better. The ones studying Luke fuck to find a cause or reason they can exploit, to stop people from dying.

Yeah, a company sells it. But they don't fucking make it. They are just an agent.

So fuck up about how evil they are. Are YOU going to pay for the research? Like fuck you are. Big picture, those companies speed the whole process of making people better up.

[Katman]

So fuck up about how evil they are.

It's ok Drew, I'm sure the array of prescription pills you pop are perfectly safe.

[Katman]

Oh no, maybe not.

https://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/

[Bass]

Lets address this then.


Yeah, a company sells it. But they don't fucking make it. They are just an agent.

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Ummm actually, I think they do make it. No expert but a chemical engineer and so bulk manufacture of serums is part of my discipline. My understanding is that production of vaccines is a major part of their cost. The hygiene requirements alone are a major hurdle.

I'm very much pro vaccination. Plan to ride in the Himalayas next year and will be vaccinated to the hilt. I have no problem with companies who take major risks in their research investments etc also making major profits when they get it right. I actually hope they continue to do so because we all need some serious research in the area of antibiotics and soon. However, there are well known examples out there of these guys putting business before safety. Thalidomide is probably the best known.

It's a balance and I have no idea how you weigh caution against starting a panic that causes more harm than taking pharmacy at face value would have done.

[TheDemonLord]

Nobody better get in the way of the pharmaceutical industry when they're looking to make money.

Just like Facts better not get in the way of Katman when he's looking for another Big Evil to blame for the worlds problems....

[TheDemonLord]

Oh no, maybe not.

https://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/

Interesting link - you note how the FDA continually updated labelling and issues advice to Doctors? The very thing you say doesn't happen - is clearly happening - something standing in the way of Big Pharma making Money.

What is really interesting is that in 1990 - the FDA considered the evidence at the time and did not find it sufficient to warrant a policy change - 6 year later, they are in communication with the manufacturers about an increase that they were noticing. 7 years later (presumably after more research into the increase) - they issue a warning.

It's almost like that as new evidence came to light, they evaluated the evidence and made changes accordingly.

But let's not let this get in the way of your delusional fantasies.