Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[RDJ]

Think the critical threshold is about 3% anti-vaxxers. And there's several such enclaves of fuckwits in the US around that figure.

Hence the Darwin reference, there's no reason to let them kill off non fuckwits as they die...

This. Let me buy you a (virtual) beer...

[RDJ]

It's almost like Vaccinations stop people from dieing from preventable diseases and NOT getting Vaccinated makes you more likely to contract a fatal virus and die horribly.

Who'dathunkit

I know! How could this possibly have been foreseen, predicted, avoided???? It's a complete mystery.

/sarc off

No joke. When I am doing remote oversight in my profession, I am dealing with the consequences of this cluster fark in Angola on a very regular basis. The Corruptocrats always ensure that They and Their (admittedly innocent) loinfruit are protected. The rest of the citizenry, can and do go to perdition as far as They are concerned.

[Katman]

Forget the fact that the article starts off talking about Jim Carey. After all, what would a comedy actor know about anything other than comedy, right?

But, continue reading and you'll find plenty of links to studies (yes, published in medical journals) that question the safety of what goes into vaccines.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ccination-law/

[TheDemonLord]

Forget the fact that the article starts off talking about Jim Carey. After all, what would a comedy actor know about anything other than comedy, right?

But, continue reading and you'll find plenty of links to studies (yes, published in medical journals) that question the safety of what goes into vaccines.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ccination-law/

Interesting Article - did you actually read any of the Studies cited (particularly those talking about Metal Toxicity in Infants)?

Cause most of them seemed to say:

'It might be an issue, but we have no clue and we haven't done the research to confirm whether it is or isn't'

None of them say:

"We did the actual science and found a Causal link" or "we found that dosages above x mg/m3 were found to have these effects"

Interesting reads, and certainly deserving of further research - but consider the amount of Metal in a Vaccine and the amount of Metal that one is exposed to as part of everyday life (one of the article even talks about the amount of Aluminium that passed to an infant if they are breast fed) and the half lives they are citing (10 days) - they would need to have some pretty solid experimental evidence to further their claims.

[Katman]

Cause most of them seemed to say:

'It might be an issue, but we have no clue and we haven't done the research to confirm whether it is or isn't'

All I've ever stated is that if there is the possibility that certain vaccines aren't as safe as we've been led to believe, caution should be exercised while further (transparent) study is conducted.

Much like Andrew Wakefield says.

You on the other hand don't seem to give a fuck whether certain vaccines are causing harm.

[TheDemonLord]

All I've ever stated is that if there is the possibility that certain vaccines aren't as safe as we've been led to believe, caution should be exercised while further (transparent) study is conducted.

And if there is Evidence that they aren't safe, then by all means - Study should be done. And if a peer reviewed, Double Blind study on a large enough population size confirms no Causal link - then the possibility should be rejected.

It's the last part you seem to have trouble with - in fact you have such trouble with it that you still mention Mr Wakefield below as some form of authority.

Much like Andrew Wakefield says.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the Slimy Conman says - in fact I was thinking about that God-Awful interview that you insisted everyone watch (that was even worse than my incredibly low expectations) - He must know that a Drug and a Vaccine work in completely different ways (if he doesn't then he is an idiot, and therefore his opinion is worth even less) - and yet while the director or producer was spouting off his nonsense - he keeps quiet.

maybe because he doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him - He's found the perfect Mark for his Con and doesn't want to jeopardize his paycheck....

You on the other hand don't seem to give a fuck whether certain vaccines are causing harm.

Okay - I'll make it really simple for you.

Let's assume that everyone of your BS and disproved claims about Vaccines are true. So - we are assuming that Vaccines cause Autism etc.

Death is worse than Autism.

Therefore it is preferable to Vaccinate (to prevent Death) and risk Autism than to not Vaccinate (to prevent Autism) and risk Death.

Now, let's apply that same login in the real world where there is no Causal link:

It's preferable to Vaccinate (to prevent Death) than to not Vaccinate and risk Death.

[Katman]

Okay - I'll make it really simple for you.

Let's assume that everyone of your BS and disproved claims about Vaccines are true. So - we are assuming that Vaccines cause Autism etc.

Death is worse than Autism.

Therefore it is preferable to Vaccinate (to prevent Death) and risk Autism than to not Vaccinate (to prevent Autism) and risk Death.

Now, let's apply that same login in the real world where there is no Causal link:

It's preferable to Vaccinate (to prevent Death) than to not Vaccinate and risk Death.

It's preferable to produce safe vaccines - especially if you're planning on demanding that everyone takes them whether they like it or not.

[TheDemonLord]

It's preferable to produce safe vaccines - especially if you're planning on demanding that everyone takes them whether they like it or not.

But:
IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN THAT THEY ARE UNSAFE

Once you can grasp that concept, then maybe we can have a discussion.

[Katman]

Dude, using big letters doesn't validate your opinion.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, using big letters doesn't validate your opinion.

I put it in big letters so that you might be able to read and comprehend it.

I guess that was wishful thinking on my part....

I'll try a different tack then - have you ever looked at the differences between the UK (where there is a high level of Vaccination) and Japan (where there isn't).


First up - Surprise Surprise - Guess which country has one of the highest Autism Rates in the world...

Why! It's Japan!

a Whopping 181/10,000 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3763210/:

followed by a Japanese study estimating the prevalence to be 181.1/10 000 [Kawamura, Takahashi, & Ishii, 2008].

Now - lets look at what the Mortality rate for JUST Measles is like in Japan.

I can't find recent data - but this article in the Lancet has for the year 2000 this http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...715-9/fulltext:

measles is still endemic in Japan: there were an estimated 200 000 cases and 88 deaths (mainly in children) in 2000.1, 2

Lets compare to the Same time period in the UK shall we?



Now - lets factor in that Japan has double the Population of the UK - so we will double the UK rates. Now, I know that Maths isn't your strong suit - but you should be able to see from the Graph, that the rate isn't around 100,000, it isn't around 1,000 - hell, it isn't even around 500 - it's somewhere in the 100-200 range.

So lets compare:

Country with the MMR Vaccine: 100-200 cases, with zero deaths
Country without the MMR Vaccine: 200,000 cases with 88 deaths.

Even if we factor in the Population sizes:

200-400 cases, zero deaths vs 200,000 cases, 88 deaths.

That is somewhere between 500-1000 times greater incidence.

Oh and not to mention that the UK's Autism rate is about 100/10,000 - which considering that is adjusted for Population size - would make it about HALF the Autism rate in Japan.

So, Tl;DR - You are a fuckwit and contribute to the needless deaths of Children.

[Katman]

So, Tl;DR - You are a fuckwit and contribute to the needless deaths of Children.

And I don't think I've ever seen anyone as eager as you to bend over and be fucked up the arse by the pharmaceutical industry.

[TheDemonLord]

And I don't think I've ever seen anyone as eager as you to bend over and be fucked up the arse by the pharmaceutical industry.

What was that?

Can't rebut solid data that completely blows your dangerous, Batshit Crazy, Child Killing Theories so far out of the water that NASA would be forgiven for thinking that there was a new celestial body in Orbit?

Quick! I know what will show them! Let's insult them and not address any of the points that show the idea to be blatantly wrong!

88 Kids a year Dead that didn't need to die.
200,000 vs less than 200 that didn't need to get infected.

Yeah - That Evil Pharmaceutical company is definitely fucking us up the arse by preventing our children from needlessly dieing.

Cunt.

[Katman]

88 Kids a year Dead that didn't need to die.

And how many died from every other preventable cause?

[TheDemonLord]

And how many died from every other preventable cause?

What is your point?

Or more to the point - why don't you want to discuss the solid Data that shows your ideas to not only be 100% full of Shit, but also Dangerous - to the point that 88 children died that didn't need to and around 199,800 were infected with Full Blown Measles (with all the 7% serious complication rate that follows - which is about 13,000 children).

Face it Katman - You are full of shit, you have Nothing to backup your loopy theories with (as per usual) but in this instance, there is solid data that not only are you completely and utterly wrong, but also that you (and all the other fuckwits like you, who really need to be Vaccinated against Stupidity - preferably with a 12 gauge lobotomy) are contributing to the Deaths of Children by disseminating and continuing to champion this Fraudulent BS.

[Katman]

What is your point?

Or more to the point - why don't you want to discuss the solid Data that shows your ideas to not only be 100% full of Shit, but also Dangerous - to the point that 88 children died that didn't need to and around 199,800 were infected with Full Blown Measles (with all the 7% serious complication rate that follows - which is about 13,000 children).

Face it Katman - You are full of shit, you have Nothing to backup your loopy theories with (as per usual) but in this instance, there is solid data that not only are you completely and utterly wrong, but also that you (and all the other fuckwits like you, who really need to be Vaccinated against Stupidity - preferably with a 12 gauge lobotomy) are contributing to the Deaths of Children by disseminating and continuing to champion this Fraudulent BS.

At the risk of further increasing the chance of you popping a blood vessel, if it comes down to 88 deaths a year versus unleashing a plague of autistic fuckwits like yourself on society, I've gotta say, it's a tough choice to make.