Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[oldrider]

Vaccine from another perspective? - http://drsircus.com/medicine/scaremo...494ab1-9531509

[Katman]

Am I really the only one who can't access that government vaccine compensation webpage?

[TheDemonLord]

Vaccine from another perspective? - http://drsircus.com/medicine/scaremo...494ab1-9531509

Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medicine

Nuff Said.

[TheDemonLord]

You quoted something that I didn't know where it came from. Like I said, I can't access the page.

You asked me if I could go to a website to get details for you
I then quoted something with details in

I know Logic isn't your forte, but one follows the other.

So is there a page in there detailing the compensation payouts?

There was a page detailing the compensation process, the payout is awarded by a Judge, and thus would be up to their discretion.

And what would you define as a 'severe allergic reaction'?

Wouldn't it be convenient if the Medical community already had a definition...

[Katman]

Wouldn't it be convenient if the Medical community already had a definition...

Wow, that sounds serious.

So can vaccines actually cause that?

There was a page detailing the compensation process, the payout is awarded by a Judge, and thus would be up to their discretion.

Is there any info on that page detailing what vaccine court judges have actually awarded in compensation? Or is that all 'undisclosed'?

[TheDemonLord]

Wow, that sounds serious.

So can vaccines actually cause that?

So can Peanuts, Grass, Water, Bannanas, Strawberries etc. etc. Allergic reactions are not the sole domain of Vaccines. And besides - they are Known Side Effects.

Ironically though - there is this link on the page you can't get to:

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...njurytable.pdf

I'd suggest a different browser than your default or trying to access through a free Proxy.

Is there any info on that page detailing what vaccine court judges have actually awarded in compensation? Or is that all 'undisclosed'?

Not on specific cases - but there is this that gives total doses of all the Vaccines, total cases, total dismissed, total compensated and then the grand total of the compensations - you could do a mean average to get an approximate figure

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...ticsreport.pdf

(again, Diff browser, or a Free Proxy)

Interesting thing to note is that the rate of injury for a case that the courts deem valid is 1.37 x10^-4% - which compared to the rate of injury for the road (using US stats) is 0.78%

[Katman]

So can Peanuts, Grass, Water, Bannanas, Strawberries etc. etc. Allergic reactions are not the sole domain of Vaccines. And besides - they are Known Side Effects.

Ironically though - there is this link on the page you can't get to:

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...njurytable.pdf

I'd suggest a different browser than your default or trying to access through a free Proxy.



Not on specific cases - but there is this that gives total doses of all the Vaccines, total cases, total dismissed, total compensated and then the grand total of the compensations - you could do a mean average to get an approximate figure

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensat...ticsreport.pdf

(again, Diff browser, or a Free Proxy)

Interesting thing to note is that the rate of injury for a case that the courts deem valid is 1.37 x10^-4% - which compared to the rate of injury for the road (using US stats) is 0.78%

I can't access either of those pages.

[TheDemonLord]

I can't access either of those pages.

Did you try using a Free Proxy or a different browser?

[Katman]

Did you try using a Free Proxy or a different browser?

Dude, I'm not an IT nerd.

I wouldn't know what a free proxy is if it fucked me up the arse.

And why wouldn't I be able to access the site using Chrome?

[Akzle]

Okay then: I have a 300 foot tall, invisible Fire breathing dragon in my Garage who has Magic powers.

Do I have a Dragon in my Garage? [waffle removed ]

my answer is no, for the reason that a) you don't believe dragons exist and b) you're a bit of a dick, and dragons are fairly scrupulous in who they hang out with.

If your answer is yes - then you are either Guillible (in which case, I have $20,000,000 from a recently deceased Prince that you can claim, if you will only forward me a down payment of $10,000 to cover lawyers fees) or you are going to blindly cling to that idea to avoid exposing the hypocrisy of your argument

If your answer is no - then I would ask on what basis you answer no - you could pick any of the following:

It's impossible for a 300 foot tall Dragon to exist in a 3 meter high garage,
Dragons don't exist
There is nothing known in science or nature that is truly invisible
Magic doesn't exist
There is no evidence of any form that any parts of my claim are true

And then I would proceed to say - ah but what if 2 people said it exists, or 10, or 100, or 1000? At what point does the number of people believing in Nonsense become any form of evidence to the contrary? The answer is there isn't. The claim is evaluated on its objective merits. Thus either you believe in my Garage Dragon or you are a hypocrite.

The proof is not asked by any diety (quite the opposite - they are so fond of Faith) but by the Skeptic who says it's BS.

becomes irrelevant when you know it's from a position of (seemingly wilful) ignorance.

like asking a colourblind human what purple tastes like. you simply lack the mechanism to comprehend, or even observe.

this does not mean purple isn't delicious.

True, but the proof relies on the person who makes the claim

your claim being that no form of god exists. prove it.
(with science.., proving a negative and whatnot)

- e.g. that not only is there a supernatural being(s), that exists outside of the laws of nature*, but that we also know which God it is and by extension we know its will.

*Beings of supposed godlike power from possessing technology/science beyond our understanding are not Gods.

laws of nature ≠ higher technology/science

indeed, the laws of nature could well be called god.

seriously dude, you're failing.
pass it to the left.

Okay - define what you consider perception?

To clarify my position - last night I dreamt of an orgy with the Sweden womens Beach Volleyball team - and yet when I woke up, my hands and face were not covered in liberal amounts of Honey, Oil and dried pussy juice.

I conclude then that it was something I imagined, and in my imagination seemed real, but objectively did not occur.

but your perception of the dream DID occur. does that make it "not real"?
science couldn't tell you that you did or did not perceive it.

similarly, science cannot tell that people do or do not perceive god.

Show me a God or God(s) that do not attempt to explain something about the natural world (where we came from, Why Man is special, why bad shit happens etc.)

no. go look it up.
you seem to base most of your ignorance on christian (>roman) and moslem ideology, while you may have a glancing knowledge of judaism, budhism or krishna, again, you're blinded by yourself.

And yes, the platform I am observing from IS ignorance, the real question is, do you know why I would agree to that?

because it's scientifically verifiable fact

Some of our Innate traits maybe? Our need to explain why we are special, Our need to understand things, Our desire to explain where we came from

innateness doesn't exist.
not all god-ologies claim humans are special, or different to, seperate from, have dominion

Again, Faith is Faith, and the actions of a few fit the pattern to a T.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, I'm not an IT nerd.

I wouldn't know what a free proxy is if it fucked me up the arse.

And why wouldn't I be able to access the site using Chrome?

You have Google.

Stop being Useless.

Google Free Proxy.

Click on the First Link.

Put Link in where it says to put the Link.

If I thought it was in anyway difficult (and considering my low opinion of your capability) I wouldn't have suggested it.

As for why can't access from Chrome, could be any number of things, but it works fine in my instance of Chrome.

[oldrider]

Nuff Said.

Hadn't noticed that actually - had to go back and check - but hey maybe all of that and your reaction says more about you than about him?

[Katman]

You have Google.

Stop being Useless.

Google Free Proxy.

Click on the First Link.

Put Link in where it says to put the Link.

If I thought it was in anyway difficult (and considering my low opinion of your capability) I wouldn't have suggested it.

As for why can't access from Chrome, could be any number of things, but it works fine in my instance of Chrome.

Wow, 3.3 billion dollars have been paid out in compensation since the introduction of the VICP.

[Katman]

Can anyone point me to where I might find info on what ACC might have paid out in vaccine injury compensation over the years?

[TheDemonLord]

my answer is no, for the reason that a) you don't believe dragons exist and b) you're a bit of a dick, and dragons are fairly scrupulous in who they hang out with.

Except you have not proved (by the same standard you are trying to hold a Deity to) that my Dragon doesn't exist.

(And besides, I listen to Metal, and Dragons are Metal as Fuck)

becomes irrelevant when you know it's from a position of (seemingly wilful) ignorance.

Actually, no it doesn't because we have Mormons and Scientologists (created by Conmen, which would be a very objective definition of Wilful Ignorance)

like asking a colourblind human what purple tastes like. you simply lack the mechanism to comprehend, or even observe.

But suppose the Human gave an answer - by your reasoning, the Answer MUST be valid (if we are talking about matters of perception),

this does not mean purple isn't delicious.

Unless of course what was being referred to as Purple was in fact Chocolate - and therein lies the fundamental flaw with Perception.

your claim being that no form of god exists. prove it

Close, but no Cigar. That argument pre-supposes that God is the default position. What evidence have you got that God should be the default position?

My position is that the default is no God, there is no evidence to prove god, therefore there is nothing to change my position from there being a god.

(with science.., proving a negative and whatnot)

See Above - there is no evidence to prove the positive claim that any God or Gods exist.

laws of nature ≠ higher technology/science

Perhaps I should rephrase - an Aircraft flies because of well understood physical principles, but go back 300 years, it would have been considered a Miracle (or Act of God)

indeed, the laws of nature could well be called god.

Nope, a Key attribute of any Deity is that they are personal and have conscious and will - Laws do not, they are constants.

seriously dude, you're failing.
pass it to the left.

See above.

but your perception of the dream DID occur. does that make it "not real"?
science couldn't tell you that you did or did not perceive it.

See above for the problem of Perception based realities.

similarly, science cannot tell that people do or do not perceive god.

But we have (with limited replication) been able to induce a religious experience by subjecting parts of the brain with Magnetic fields - which then brings us to occams razor:

If we can replicate the experience in a Lab, using things occuring in nature (magnetic fields certainly exist) what is more likely: An all powerful being that exists outside of natural world or you were experiencing the effects of a specific Magnetic field, effectively tripping balls.

no. go look it up.
you seem to base most of your ignorance on christian (>roman) and moslem ideology, while you may have a glancing knowledge of judaism, budhism or krishna, again, you're blinded by yourself.

It's broader than that, but Okay then, show my a religion that doesn't have some form of creation Myth?

because it's scientifically verifiable fact

The Point. You missed it.

innateness doesn't exist.

Mashman, is that you? Are you saying that none of the things you do are innate to you as a human, you as a mammal, you as a social creature (with the biological definition of Social being used)?

not all god-ologies claim humans are special, or different to, seperate from, have dominion

Not all, but most do in some form or another, and almost all have creation myths - the point being there is a repeating pattern of things that are associated with any deistic belief, may not have all of them, but all have some of them.