Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

The question presumes that there is a point in time that they stopped doing a Great deal of good.

Can you provide a Date or a Year and can you provide evidence to show that there was a change?

Not a date or a year but it was probably around the time that the pursuit of profit infiltrated the medical field.

[TheDemonLord]

Not a date or a year but it was probably around the time that the pursuit of profit infiltrated the medical field.

And exactly WHEN is that?

Because even in hunter Gather tribes - the Medicine Man had the best hut after the Chief of the tribe....

[Ocean1]

Not a date or a year but it was probably around the time that the pursuit of profit infiltrated the medical field.

Vaccines were originally made by amateurs?!

I had no idea!

[Katman]

And exactly WHEN is that?

Dude, stop being so fucking irrational.

There has been a gradual move towards focusing on profit rather than the actual physical well-being of society for some time now.

There are a great many in the science and medical fields who believe similarly.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, stop being so fucking irrational.

There has been a gradual move towards focusing on profit rather than the actual physical well-being of society for some time now.

There are a great many in the science and medical fields who believe similarly.

Even a Gradual change eventually crosses a threshold - For example - acceleration is a gradual change (or a rapid change...) yet - I can tell you when I hit 50 kph and when I hit 100.

All I'm asking for you to do is demonstrate where that Threshold is and why it is there.

But let's not beat around the bush - you can't. I know you can't. You know you can't. Which is where your house of cards falls down.

As for the great many you speak of - most (if taken in proper context) would say that there are areas where there could be improvement - some of those are valid - however it doesn't prove profit over well being, nor does it prove that vaccines are redundant today.

In fact - if anything, the recent outbreaks of Measles in first world countries (thanks largely to Mr Wakefield and his sycophantic delusional followers) shows a perfect real world scenario conclusively proving regular ongoing vaccinations are required for certain viral strains.

[Katman]

As for the great many you speak of - most (if taken in proper context) would say that there are areas where there could be improvement - some of those are valid - however it doesn't prove profit over well being.

It certainly does when a pharmaceutical company knowingly dumps contaminated products in other markets around the world because they've been stopped from selling it in their own country.

[TheDemonLord]

It certainly does when a pharmaceutical company knowingly dumps contaminated products in other markets around the world because they've been stopped from selling it in their own country.

The proves a Company engaged in unethical behavior in one instance.

Still doesn't prove that Vaccines are no longer required.

[Katman]

Still doesn't prove that Vaccines are no longer required.

And I've never said that either.

What I have said is that if there are safety concerns surrounding certain vaccines then those issues need to be strenuously investigated.

I believe that the pursuit of profit is getting in the way of that investigation.

[Katman]

The proves a Company engaged in unethical behavior in one instance.

Do you think that raising the price of a drug overnight from $13.50 to $750 is ethical?

[TheDemonLord]

And I've never said that either.

What I have said is that if there are safety concerns surrounding certain vaccines then those issues need to be strenuously investigated.

I believe that the pursuit of profit is getting in the way of that investigation.

Your exact wording was:

and whether they are in fact all necessary.

The implication being that some are no longer required.

Suppose I be generous in your 'safety concerns' - what do you say about the thousands (and I do mean thousands) of Dead Japanese School children from Measles?

What about that Safety Concern?

Of course - if it had been that a company had cut a corner to save a Dollar - you would be jumping up and down, frothing at the mouth, loudly proclaiming your righteous vindication....

[TheDemonLord]

Do you think that raising the price of a drug overnight from $13.50 to $750 is ethical?

I'd say it's price gauging - however if the change was as he claimed (to fund research into new drugs) - then it may not be as unethical as it first seems.

[Banditbandit]

And how many people do you personally know who have died of:

Yellow Fever
Cholera
Typhoid Fever
Small Pox
Whooping Cough
Tuberculosis

The diseases you ask about have largely been eradicated by vaccination - but not all. As well, we now know moere and can largely cure these diseases - but not always.

here's stuff you can easily find on the net

Yellow Fever
Only required if travelling overseas. There are about 200,000 cases each year worldwide.

Cholera
Not endemic in New Zealand. Cases come from overseas and may spread it while contagious but not showing symptoms.

Typhoid Fever
It’s a Salmonella virus. There are about 40 known cases each year in New Zealand

Smallpox
Not great. Apparently only exists in laboratories now-a-days. Eradicated (supposedly) by mass vaccination. But if it ever comes back ..

Whooping Cough
Most recent outbreak in New Zealand was 2011. Three young children died during this outbreak. This is one disease that can be cured if caught. Outbreaks occur every three to five years. If you have ever had a small baby with this it will break your heart.

Tuberculosis
In 2014 there were 302 reported cases. It’s been about that each year for quite a while.
Possums carry this disease and can spread it to cows – beef and dairy. Some parts of the country have a non-removal orders on cows as they have TB. This is one that is a lot more curable than it once was – but prevention is still the best measure.

[Katman]

The implication being that some are no longer required.

Not quite.

The implication being, are people getting vaccinations that are relevant to their situation or are they being encouraged to have vaccinations that they could happily do without.

[TheDemonLord]

Not quite.

The implication being, are people getting vaccinations that are relevant to their situation or are they being encouraged to have vaccinations that they could happily do without.

Just like you could happily ride a motorcycle without Helmet and leathers....

It comes down to risk - what is the risk of not getting vaccinated vs the risk of getting vaccinated.

Just like what is the risk of riding ATGATT vs Riding like a Squid.

I've got pretty solid evidence that shows not vaccinating for things such as Measles has a very large risk to the child population - what have you got? Speculation and debunked frauds....

[TheDemonLord]

The diseases you ask about have largely been eradicated by vaccination - but not all. As well, we now know moere and can largely cure these diseases - but not always.

here's stuff you can easily find on the net

Yellow Fever
Only required if travelling overseas. There are about 200,000 cases each year worldwide.

Cholera
Not endemic in New Zealand. Cases come from overseas and may spread it while contagious but not showing symptoms.

Typhoid Fever
It’s a Salmonella virus. There are about 40 known cases each year in New Zealand

Smallpox
Not great. Apparently only exists in laboratories now-a-days. Eradicated (supposedly) by mass vaccination. But if it ever comes back ..

Whooping Cough
Most recent outbreak in New Zealand was 2011. Three young children died during this outbreak. This is one disease that can be cured if caught. Outbreaks occur every three to five years. If you have ever had a small baby with this it will break your heart.

Tuberculosis
In 2014 there were 302 reported cases. It’s been about that each year for quite a while.
Possums carry this disease and can spread it to cows – beef and dairy. Some parts of the country have a non-removal orders on cows as they have TB. This is one that is a lot more curable than it once was – but prevention is still the best measure.

Precisely my point - especially when compared to their historic rates in the western world.