Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[bogan]

So are you willing to watch the documentary series?

Sorry KM, that sort of redirect is one going away from rational discourse. TDLs point is a central one key to the topic at hand, it is irrational to distract from this.

It is a possibility, but seeing as both Bogan and yourself will be watching it - you can review it, and based on that, I'll decide if I watch it.

*start watching it. And of course I shall review, cos fuck yeh scientific method.

[Akzle]

i got vaccinated once - nearly died.


havent been since - pretty fucken healthy. like, actually, healthier than you.

[Bass]

i got vaccinated once - nearly died.

Just signed up for vaccination against:-

1. Hep A
2. Hep B
3. Typhoid
4. Tetanus (throw in diptheria and hooping cough with that one)
5. Polio
6. Rabies

Katman is right.
Reading the bill was fkn near fatal and then there's the malaria prophylactics and the HTFU Immodium.

[Akzle]

Just signed up for vaccination against:-

1. Hep A
2. Hep B
3. Typhoid
4. Tetanus (throw in diptheria and hooping cough with that one)
5. Polio
6. Rabies

given the number of whores i fuck, it's likely if i don't have, i'm probably carrying HIVs A through F.

dunno bout typhoid.

i have rusty metal on the wrong side of my skin on at least an annual basis. haven't had a tetanus jab since i passed the age of reason.

had polio (never vaccinated against), shook it.

i'm sure some would consider me rabid, but i'm not... much.

[Virago]

Anyone else prepared to watch this series with an open mind?

We could attempt to rationally discuss the contents afterwards.

"The truth about vaccines", eh?

I am always rather sceptical of any conspiracy theorist enthusiast who claims to be espousing "the truth". Whether the claims are questioned or gobbled up, depends on your own particular bias.

But on to this doco series.

The presenter, Ty Bollinger, has some history. He is a fanatical natural health promoter. He has already done a doco series on cancer. His views on cancer are at best off target, mainly revolving around rampant conspiracies about the medical profession. He makes somewhat bizarre claims that cancer doesn't kill anyone, they are killed only by the cancer treatment. This is somewhat of a surprise to me, as my aunt died a couple of weeks ago from advanced aggressive (and untreated) cancer. As part of the doco series he trotted out a wide range of "experts" to confirm his views. Interestingly, many of the same "experts" appear in this new vaccine doco - I wonder why?

This new series is more of the same - perhaps worse. Despite the over-the-top claims of a balanced presentation, there is no doubting the almost frantic bias. Mr Bollinger's writings on the interwebs are quite vitriolic in his contempt for vaccines. He even criticises the smallpox vaccine.

So who are the experts promoted in the intro video. Let's have a look at them.

Dr Andrew Wakefield - let's not go there.

Mike Adams - Another natural health fanatic. He is a writer running several natural health (and anti-science) websites. A well-known conspiracy theorist who is anti-vaccine, he calls himself "The Health Ranger". Interestingly, Google recently de-listed his main website, Natural News.

Dr Rachael Ross - another alternative medicine fanatic who dispenses such advice on a TV show. A fervent anti-vaxxer.

Dr Joseph Mercola - another alternative medicine fanatic and anti-vaxxer.

Neil Z Miller - a journalist and vocal anti-vaxxer.

Dr Rashid Buttar - alternative cancer quack and confirmed anti-vaxxer.

Robert F Kennedy Jr - radio host and environmental activist, vocal anti-vaxxer.

Dr Paul Thomas - alternative practitioner and anti-vaxxer.

Dr Jennifer Margulis - her PhD is in language and literature, with no medical training. Fanatical anti-vaxxer.

Stephanie Seneff - a research computer scientist who dabbles in medical matters. She has written several papers which have been universally condemned for making "correlation is causation" assumptions using broad statistical extrapolations from limited data.

Nico LaHood - a lawyer with no scientific or medical background. A fervent believer that vaccines cause autism.

Mario Lamo-Jimenez - another vaccine=autism proponent.

Dr Sin Hang Lee - another anti-vaxxer using skewed data, and working with the anti-vaccine group SaneVax.

So there we are. A balanced programme? Yeah, right.

This is the internet generation, where "doing research" involves a goodly amount of time at the keyboard, searching for confirmation bias (it's certainly quicker and easier than actual medical training). I'm guessing that some people will find exactly what they're looking for in this documentary series. Good luck with that.

[Katman]

I'm guessing that some people will find exactly what they're looking for in this documentary series. Good luck with that.

Me? - I'll watch it with an open mind.

But thanks anyway for the warning.

[Drew]

Me? - I'll watch it with an open mind.

But thanks anyway for the warning.

No you won't. You lying fucktard.

[Katman]

No you won't. You lying fucktard.

Are you having one of your 'turns' again Drew?

Quick - to the medicine cabinet!

[Drew]

Are you having one of your 'turns' again Drew?

Quick - to the medicine cabinet!

I take the medicine every day, but you're thinking entirely too high of you self to assume you have an affect on me at all.

[Katman]

I've gotta say, I'm constantly amazed at the virulence displayed towards anyone who dares to ask questions about vaccines.

If it wasn't so disturbing it would be fucking hilarious.

[TheDemonLord]

I've gotta say, I'm constantly amazed at the virulence displayed towards anyone who dares to ask questions about vaccines.

If it wasn't so disturbing it would be fucking hilarious.

It's almost like those people know that the drop in Vaccination rates in the western world has lead to several outbreaks of viruses resulting in the Deaths of Children....

If THAT wasn't so disturbing it would be fucking Hilarious.


And bonus Irony points - where is your bleeding heart Sympathies for the thousands of Dead school children from Measles outbreaks?

Or does it only count if they are in Afghanistan and being shot at by US Helicopters?

[Katman]

And bonus Irony points - where is your bleeding heart Sympathies for the thousands of Dead school children from Measles outbreaks?

Or does it only count if they are in Afghanistan and being shot at by US Helicopters?

You do realise that particular irony works both ways, don't you?

Tell me again how the deaths of those children in Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki etc.were justified.

[Woodman]

You do realise that particular irony works both ways, don't you?

Tell me again how the deaths of those children in Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki etc.were justified.

You forgot London and Coventry if you are talking both ways.

[Woodman]

Me? - I'll watch it with an open mind.

But thanks anyway for the warning.

Tui.................

[Katman]

You forgot London and Coventry if you are talking both ways.

Absolutely.

Let's not forget the ones who died in Iraq, due to the sanctions imposed on them, either.